Cornell lacrosse 2019

[mike1960]

Inside Lacrosse ranks the "Top Incoming Men's Classes" (from September)

Virginia is #1, Yale is 2

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/slideshow/2018-recruiting-issue-top-incoming-mens-classes/89?slide=19

Cornell #9
Under Armour All-Americans bookend the field in John John Lombardi (Salisbury, Conn.) at attack and Chayse Ierlan (Victor, N.Y.) in goal. Lombardi is a strong, dual threat who evokes memories of Rob Pannell, while Ierlan had an illustrious high school career. The offense will get contributions from Billy Coyle (Malvern Prep, Pa. / Hill Academy, Ont.), Henry Follows (Hill Academy, Ont.) and Billy Chabot (Rye, N.Y.), while a stable of longpoles is led by JQ Stramanak (Spalding, Md.)

Can't wait for the season to begin!

[Al DeFlorio]

First pre-season lacrosse poll:

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2019-face-off-yearbook-men-s-di-top-25/53400

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/12/5/mens-lacrosse-picked-fifth-in-inside-lacrosse-preseason-poll.aspx

[TimV]

We're under-rated.  S'OK though.  Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

[Al DeFlorio]

We're under-rated.  S'OK though.

I think so, too.  Teat should have been on the IL cover, though.

[Swampy]

We're under-rated.  S'OK though.  Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.

Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.

One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.

[Al DeFlorio]

We're under-rated.  S'OK though.  Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.

Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.

One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.

Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone.  But their asses got kicked in the ILT.

[Swampy]

We're under-rated.  S'OK though.  Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.

Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.

One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.

Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone.  But their asses got kicked in the ILT.

True, but Yale didn't really play SOT. Instead, most of the time Yale's Fake marked Jeff the conventional way, but Jeff was still was able to do his magic: a goal and 5 assists. (Also, our defense was really, really good, and this year it's liable to be a bit weaker. But this is not my point.) Cornell beat Yale 14-8.

In contrast, two days earlier Brown played SOT, denying Jeff the ball most of the game. And he scored only 1 goal and 2 assists, with Cornell beating Brown 7-4. Taking JT out of the game also took Cornell out of its game, so the impact of SOT is more than just the 3 additional goals that Teat was directly involved in during the championship game.

[Al DeFlorio]

We're under-rated.  S'OK though.  Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.

Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.

One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.

Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone.  But their asses got kicked in the ILT.

True, but Yale didn't really play SOT. Instead, most of the time Yale's Fake marked Jeff the conventional way, but Jeff was still was able to do his magic: a goal and 5 assists. (Also, our defense was really, really good, and this year it's liable to be a bit weaker. But this is not my point.) Cornell beat Yale 14-8.

In contrast, two days earlier Brown played SOT, denying Jeff the ball most of the game. And he scored only 1 goal and 2 assists, with Cornell beating Brown 7-4. Taking JT out of the game also took Cornell out of its game, so the impact of SOT is more than just the 3 additional goals that Teat was directly involved in during the championship game.

Not sure why you're telling me something (the SOT business) I obviously know.  

My point was Yale has been improving year over year under Andy Shay, and is now national champ.  No surprise that their program is now at the top of the Ivy.  Harvard, by the way, has never been "our most serious Ivy rival" in lacrosse.

Cornell's defense was so effective in that game because a decision was made NOT to slide to Ben Reeves.  Seventeen of Yale's 21 goals against Penn in the semis were assisted, including all seven of Gaudet's.  Reeves and Morrill accounted for two-thirds of Yale's assists during the season.  Yale had one assisted goal in the Cornell game (Reeves's first), and that was a gift assist if you watch again.  Pulver made Morrill invisible and Reeves had no one to pass to as no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score.  Brilliant strategy by Milliman and Stevens, leaving Reeves to Wallace and Knight while keeping everyone else covered.  Reeves got his five goals but no assists, and the rest of Yale's offense disappeared.

[Swampy]

We're under-rated.  S'OK though.  Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.

Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.

One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.

Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone.  But their asses got kicked in the ILT.

True, but Yale didn't really play SOT. Instead, most of the time Yale's Fake marked Jeff the conventional way, but Jeff was still was able to do his magic: a goal and 5 assists. (Also, our defense was really, really good, and this year it's liable to be a bit weaker. But this is not my point.) Cornell beat Yale 14-8.

In contrast, two days earlier Brown played SOT, denying Jeff the ball most of the game. And he scored only 1 goal and 2 assists, with Cornell beating Brown 7-4. Taking JT out of the game also took Cornell out of its game, so the impact of SOT is more than just the 3 additional goals that Teat was directly involved in during the championship game.

Not sure why you're telling me something (the SOT business) I obviously know.  

My point was Yale has been improving year over year under Andy Shay, and is now national champ.  No surprise that their program is now at the top of the Ivy.  Harvard, by the way, has never been "our most serious Ivy rival" in lacrosse.

Cornell's defense was so effective in that game because a decision was made NOT to slide to Ben Reeves.  Seventeen of Yale's 21 goals against Penn in the semis were assisted, including all seven of Gaudet's.  Reeves and Morrill accounted for two-thirds of Yale's assists during the season.  Yale had one assisted goal in the Cornell game (Reeves's first), and that was a gift assist if you watch again.  Pulver made Morrill invisible and Reeves had no one to pass to as no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score.  Brilliant strategy by Milliman and Stevens, leaving Reeves to Wallace and Knight while keeping everyone else covered.  Reeves got his five goals but no assists, and the rest of Yale's offense disappeared.

My post wasn't specifically addressed to you. I started by replying to TimV's comment about us being underrated, expressing my disagreement because we haven't yet demonstrated our ability to overcome SOT. As an aside, I mentioned Yale's recruiting. Then you mentioned the ILT, and I responded mainly by pointing out that Yale did not use SOT when we kicked their ass.

I mainly agree with your posts, except for one thing. IIRC, Reeves scored most (all?) of his goals in the first half. I may be wrong, but on all of them I remember him coming around from behind the goal to Knight's left and beating Wallace one-on-one. At halftime Milliman & Co. changed the slide packages, with quicker slides double-teaming Reeves when he came around, but still shutting off Yale players in front of the goal, and leaving Reeves with the difficult task (he was double-teamed) of passing to a teammate in a relatively harmless location on the periphery. IIRC, several times he lost possession due to this strategy. We pulled away during the 2nd half.

[Al DeFlorio]

We're under-rated.  S'OK though.  Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.

Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.

One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.

Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone.  But their asses got kicked in the ILT.

True, but Yale didn't really play SOT. Instead, most of the time Yale's Fake marked Jeff the conventional way, but Jeff was still was able to do his magic: a goal and 5 assists. (Also, our defense was really, really good, and this year it's liable to be a bit weaker. But this is not my point.) Cornell beat Yale 14-8.

In contrast, two days earlier Brown played SOT, denying Jeff the ball most of the game. And he scored only 1 goal and 2 assists, with Cornell beating Brown 7-4. Taking JT out of the game also took Cornell out of its game, so the impact of SOT is more than just the 3 additional goals that Teat was directly involved in during the championship game.

Not sure why you're telling me something (the SOT business) I obviously know.  

My point was Yale has been improving year over year under Andy Shay, and is now national champ.  No surprise that their program is now at the top of the Ivy.  Harvard, by the way, has never been "our most serious Ivy rival" in lacrosse.

Cornell's defense was so effective in that game because a decision was made NOT to slide to Ben Reeves.  Seventeen of Yale's 21 goals against Penn in the semis were assisted, including all seven of Gaudet's.  Reeves and Morrill accounted for two-thirds of Yale's assists during the season.  Yale had one assisted goal in the Cornell game (Reeves's first), and that was a gift assist if you watch again.  Pulver made Morrill invisible and Reeves had no one to pass to as no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score.  Brilliant strategy by Milliman and Stevens, leaving Reeves to Wallace and Knight while keeping everyone else covered.  Reeves got his five goals but no assists, and the rest of Yale's offense disappeared.

My post wasn't specifically addressed to you. I started by replying to TimV's comment about us being underrated, expressing my disagreement because we haven't yet demonstrated our ability to overcome SOT. As an aside, I mentioned Yale's recruiting. Then you mentioned the ILT, and I responded mainly by pointing out that Yale did not use SOT when we kicked their ass.

I mainly agree with your posts, except for one thing. IIRC, Reeves scored most (all?) of his goals in the first half. I may be wrong, but on all of them I remember him coming around from behind the goal to Knight's left and beating Wallace one-on-one. At halftime Milliman & Co. changed the slide packages, with quicker slides double-teaming Reeves when he came around, but still shutting off Yale players in front of the goal, and leaving Reeves with the difficult task (he was double-teamed) of passing to a teammate in a relatively harmless location on the periphery. IIRC, several times he lost possession due to this strategy. We pulled away during the 2nd half.

Yale didn't use the SOT but my point was that playing straight up the national champs got their asses kicked, so they weren't so superior to everyone else.

In the second half, Reeves scored early in the third to tie the game at 6, again with no slide to help Wallace.  Later in the third, Cornell slid twice to Reeves, the first by Doria when Reeves was out of scoring range and the guy Doria was marking, Morrill (after a switch, apparently) was well behind the net and not in position for an easy feed from Reeves.  Reeves did try to get the ball to Morrill but the pass was short, Morrill fumbled it, and Cornell picked it up.The second slide was by Pulver from Knight's right as Reeves was coming from behind to Knight's left (as Reeves ALWAYS did), again making for a difficult pass to the guy Pulver slid from, and Reeves wisely didn't risk it.

In the first two minutes of the fourth period, Reeves made his move twice, again with no slide. First time he went east-west and passed back to Warner who had a clear path to the net.  Knight stoned him.  A minute later Reeves again came from behind the net to Knight's left, no slide, and fed Morrill, who somehow slipped behind Pulver, right on the crease.  Knight stoned him, too.  Later in the game, after Cornell opened a good lead, Pulver did slide to Reeves, and Doria did again on yet again a Reeves move from behind to Knight's left, but this last time with 1:20 left in a game that was over long before.

As I wrote above, "no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score."  I'll modify that to add "when the game was still in doubt."

Yale took a different approach with Teat:  sliding anyone and everyone to him (except when poor Sessa wound up with him, strangely enough), and it burned them again and again.

[Swampy]

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My post wasn't specifically addressed to you. I started by replying to TimV's comment about us being underrated, expressing my disagreement because we haven't yet demonstrated our ability to overcome SOT. As an aside, I mentioned Yale's recruiting. Then you mentioned the ILT, and I responded mainly by pointing out that Yale did not use SOT when we kicked their ass.

I mainly agree with your posts, except for one thing. IIRC, Reeves scored most (all?) of his goals in the first half. I may be wrong, but on all of them I remember him coming around from behind the goal to Knight's left and beating Wallace one-on-one. At halftime Milliman & Co. changed the slide packages, with quicker slides double-teaming Reeves when he came around, but still shutting off Yale players in front of the goal, and leaving Reeves with the difficult task (he was double-teamed) of passing to a teammate in a relatively harmless location on the periphery. IIRC, several times he lost possession due to this strategy. We pulled away during the 2nd half.

Yale didn't use the SOT but my point was that playing straight up the national champs got their asses kicked, so they weren't so superior to everyone else.

Agreed.

But I maintain that had we demonstrated the ability to overcome SOT against very top-level teams, unlike the quarterfinal loss to Maryland which we lost by 5 goals, we would be ranked higher than #5 this year.

So I don't see us disagreeing as much as talking past each other.

In the second half, Reeves scored early in the third to tie the game at 6, again with no slide to help Wallace.  Later in the third, Cornell slid twice to Reeves, the first by Doria when Reeves was out of scoring range and the guy Doria was marking, Morrill (after a switch, apparently) was well behind the net and not in position for an easy feed from Reeves.  Reeves did try to get the ball to Morrill but the pass was short, Morrill fumbled it, and Cornell picked it up.The second slide was by Pulver from Knight's right as Reeves was coming from behind to Knight's left (as Reeves ALWAYS did), again making for a difficult pass to the guy Pulver slid from, and Reeves wisely didn't risk it.

In the first two minutes of the fourth period, Reeves made his move twice, again with no slide. First time he went east-west and passed back to Warner who had a clear path to the net.  Knight stoned him.  A minute later Reeves again came from behind the net to Knight's left, no slide, and fed Morrill, who somehow slipped behind Pulver, right on the crease.  Knight stoned him, too.  Later in the game, after Cornell opened a good lead, Pulver did slide to Reeves, and Doria did again on yet again a Reeves move from behind to Knight's left, but this last time with 1:20 left in a game that was over long before.

As I wrote above, "no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score."  I'll modify that to add "when the game was still in doubt."

Yale took a different approach with Teat:  sliding anyone and everyone to him (except when poor Sessa wound up with him, strangely enough), and it burned them again and again.

Wow! Do you recall all this detail from memory, or did you review the game film before composing your post? Either way, I'm very impressed.

[Al DeFlorio]

But I maintain that had we demonstrated the ability to overcome SOT against very top-level teams, unlike the quarterfinal loss to Maryland which we lost by 5 goals, we would be ranked higher than #5 this year.

Agree.  Doesn't take anything away from beating #1-ranked and eventual national champ Yale straight up in a game that mattered.

Wow! Do you recall all this detail from memory, or did you review the game film before composing your post? Either way, I'm very impressed.

Have watched that game several times as there's much you can learn about lacrosse offense and defense in analyzing both team's goals, and understanding why Yale managed not one legitimate assisted goal.

[Swampy]

We don't have a "Lacrosse Opponents" thread, so I'm posting here something to add to the "Ugh!" department. ::doh::

[George64]

My information (directly from the coaching staff) is that he is enrolling in January and is eligible immediately.

Official announcement.

[TimV]

And, in the same announcement, a 29 year old ex-marine sniper.  An actual sniper.

Don't f*** with us Yale.   ::moon::