Cornell lacrosse 2019

[Al DeFlorio]

We'll also have to get our shots faster with the 80 second posession clock. We didn't stall last year - we worked the ball with multiple quick passes and wore defenses down or caused sliding errors.  We don't have that kind of time any more, but hey- we have players familiar with the box game, so the new clock rules should help us.

Interesting chart here showing, by team, percentage of 2018 goals scored after 80 seconds:

https://lacrossereference.com/2019/01/28/shot-clock-wisdom-of-the-crowd/?utm_source=So

Note that all three teams that beat Yale last season are on the list (#1, #8, and #9).

[Swampy]

presumably an opposing coach said:

They have to figure out how to deal with what people do with Teat.

::deadhorse::::deadhorse::::deadhorse::

Jeez people!  Stop it.  I guarantee you the coaching staff has worked this out.  This team has a lot more this year that opposing defenses have to deal with, especially if Connor Fletcher steps up and fixes his shot accuracy.  Jake McCulloch and Jon Donville are serious midfield threats and I expect to see a lot of JJ Lombardi seeing midfield time.  Lombardi can both shoot and feed, and the idea of feeding from the top to cutters from behind and the wings when the defense is spread too far to slide will cause serious matchup problems to the defenses.  We've fixed faceoffs.  My main worry is the poles.  Doria is fine, Fleet Wallace needs to be more...fleet.  We need a third close D to step up.  Maybe Max Fields will be ready.

We'll also have to get our shots faster with the 80 second posession clock. We didn't stall last year - we worked the ball with multiple quick passes and wore defenses down or caused sliding errors.  We don't have that kind of time any more, but hey- we have players familiar with the box game, so the new clock rules should help us.

Actually, I almost totally agree with you. I'm sanguine about GK, but close D still has to prove itself. And yes, Fleet Wallace -- the most likely candidate to take over Jake Pulver's role -- needs to be quicker. (Just look at the first half of the ILT championship last year.) And we have a lot more firepower this year. Obviously the Brown and Maryland tourney games gave the coaching staff something to think about over the summer, and surely they came up with some plans. But the proof of the pudding will still be in the eating.

[Swampy]

We'll also have to get our shots faster with the 80 second posession clock. We didn't stall last year - we worked the ball with multiple quick passes and wore defenses down or caused sliding errors.  We don't have that kind of time any more, but hey- we have players familiar with the box game, so the new clock rules should help us.

Interesting chart here showing, by team, percentage of 2018 goals scored after 80 seconds:

https://lacrossereference.com/2019/01/28/shot-clock-wisdom-of-the-crowd/?utm_source=So

Note that all three teams that beat Yale last season are on the list (#1, #8, and #9).

This and the analysis along with the chart bring up very interesting points about the new 80 second rule. Three addition thoughts:
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• The time limit on the opponents' offenses should give the ball more often to our high-powered offense.
• The time limit on our offense should put more pressure on our defense, so depth may become a major issue.
• Defenses will be changing their tactics to take advantage of the new 80-second clock.

Also, I wish the article on 2018 scoring had also compared all teams that made the NC$$ tourney. Also also, data on turnovers by these elite teams (both the original table's % of goals after 80 seconds among the 20 most efficient teams and my wished for teams that made it to the dance) would be helpful. The article says, "patience in a possession is more likely to cause a turnover than it is to result in a great chance." But is this true about the very best teams that seriously challenged for the NC?

[rss77]

Yale beat Syracuse in a scrimmage today 18-14. Yale lead 12-4 at half.  All this info courtesy of Syracuse lax message board

[upprdeck]

When it says scoring after 80 secs does that only count when teams run it around for 80 secs and then shoots or is that also if a team takes 3-4-5- shots gets it back and finally scores after 80 secs?

[TimV]

When it says scoring after 80 secs does that only count when teams run it around for 80 secs and then shoots or is that also if a team takes 3-4-5- shots gets it back and finally scores after 80 secs?

Good point.  The implication in the article is that 80 seconds or more goes by before a single scoring shot.  That may not be true if multiple shots are taken (by an "impatient" offense) but do not result in goals or turnovers, until finally, after 80 seconds, one goes in.

[billhoward]

My reading is you have:

* 20 seconds to get the ball across midfield (as now), then the 20-second part ends, and you have
* 60 seconds to get off a shot, and the shot has to be
* a goal, or a stop that was on-net, or (I believe) a shot off the pipe
* a wide shot retains possession for the attackers but the clock doesn't reset (otherwise you'd encourage wild SOGs around 55 seconds elapsed)

The referees will keep the 20-second clock but the 60-second clock is visible. It's 80 seconds total only if you get the ball across midfield at 19.9 seconds

https://www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-men/article/2018-09-12/mens-lacrosse-adds-80-second-shot-clock-2019

Others may have guidance on what happens if the shot hits a defending player, or a defender in front of the goal. It sounds like that's a play-on situation and the clock keeps rolling.

[mountainred]

My reading is you have:

* 20 seconds to get the ball across midfield (as now), then the 20-second part ends, and you have
* 60 seconds to get off a shot, and the shot has to be
* a goal, or a stop that was on-net, or (I believe) a shot off the pipe
* a wide shot retains possession for the attackers but the clock doesn't reset (otherwise you'd encourage wild SOGs around 55 seconds elapsed)

The referees will keep the 20-second clock but the 60-second clock is visible. It's 80 seconds total only if you get the ball across midfield at 19.9 seconds

https://www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-men/article/2018-09-12/mens-lacrosse-adds-80-second-shot-clock-2019

Others may have guidance on what happens if the shot hits a defending player, or a defender in front of the goal. It sounds like that's a play-on situation and the clock keeps rolling.

Bill, based on this quote from the article you cited: "If the team in possession of the ball is not in its offensive half of the field when the visible shot clock reaches 60 seconds, it is a violation," it sounds like teams will have 80 seconds per possession.  If you clear effectively, you get a few more ticks on the offensive end.  That assumes the NCAA knows their own rules, which is probably a large assumption.

[Swampy]

My reading is you have:

* 20 seconds to get the ball across midfield (as now), then the 20-second part ends, and you have
* 60 seconds to get off a shot, and the shot has to be
* a goal, or a stop that was on-net, or (I believe) a shot off the pipe
* a wide shot retains possession for the attackers but the clock doesn't reset (otherwise you'd encourage wild SOGs around 55 seconds elapsed)

The referees will keep the 20-second clock but the 60-second clock is visible. It's 80 seconds total only if you get the ball across midfield at 19.9 seconds

https://www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-men/article/2018-09-12/mens-lacrosse-adds-80-second-shot-clock-2019

Others may have guidance on what happens if the shot hits a defending player, or a defender in front of the goal. It sounds like that's a play-on situation and the clock keeps rolling.

Bill, based on this quote from the article you cited: "If the team in possession of the ball is not in its offensive half of the field when the visible shot clock reaches 60 seconds, it is a violation," it sounds like teams will have 80 seconds per possession.  If you clear effectively, you get a few more ticks on the offensive end.  That assumes the NCAA knows their own rules, which is probably a large assumption.

FYP

[billhoward]

Sorry, the bullet points are mine. My reading was the refs count the 20 by hand or a wristwatch and then at midfield there's a 60-second counter. But there are these words from an NCAA article:

The shot clock will include a 20-second clearing count, during which players must advance the ball across the midfield line with the over-and-back provision in effect. If the team in possession of the ball is not in its offensive half of the field when the visible shot clock reaches 60 seconds, it is a violation. +

If so then it's 80 and if you get it across in 10 seconds you've got 70 more to shoot.

[Swampy]

Sorry, the bullet points are mine. My reading was the refs count the 20 by hand or a wristwatch and then at midfield there's a 60-second counter. But there are these words from an NCAA article:

The shot clock will include a 20-second clearing count, during which players must advance the ball across the midfield line with the over-and-back provision in effect. If the team in possession of the ball is not in its offensive half of the field when the visible shot clock reaches 60 seconds, it is a violation. +

If so then it's 80 and if you get it across in 10 seconds you've got 70 more to shoot.

Last year Yale routinely employed a hard ride, which tended to keep opposing teams in their defensive zone. But in the ILT we handled it quite well. If the clock works this way, look for Milliman & Co. to emphasize fast clears.

[CU77]

Preseason video for the team from lax.com:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHQyiOfdEro

[Al DeFlorio]

Towson 17-8 over Hopkins today.  They're at Schoellkopf March 10, two days after Penn State visits.

[dag14]

Anyone have feedback on today's scrimmages at Drexel?

[TimV]

Towson 17-8 over Hopkins today.  They're at Schoellkopf March 10, two days after Penn State visits.

Not in Ithaca.  Double header weekend in Charlotte NC.  Probably no TV.  I might have to make that trip.