Cornell lacrosse 2018

[Al DeFlorio]

Knight got a penalty for slashing so he left the game to serve his penalty.  The ESPN announcers missed it all; I am not sure they ever acknowledged that fact.

ESPN did explain correctly why he left.  When Knight returned.

Long after he returned.  When he first returned, they commented about Milliman playing musical chairs with his keepers and speculated that Milliman just wanted to give Knight a short break to gather himself.  Then, later, they corrected themselves.

[billhoward]

Goalie serves own penalty in lacrosse, also most high school leagues. I have seen a not-close HS game where the losing team had no real backup and the coaches agreed to let somebody else serve. Syracuse would not have agreed to that one. The TV commentary apparently helped confuse viewers; they thought Knight had been benched.

[George64]

I'd also like to find out what happened when Milliman pulled Knight for a few minutes in the second quarter. I haven't seen anything about that in any of the post-match coverage.

There was a one minute penalty against Knight for slashing.

Oops - I responded before I saw the subsequent discussion.

[Ken711]

This article in Inside Lacrosse gives Milliman a lot of credit for the victory. "Cornell advanced to the NCAA Quarterfinals — the first time since 2013 — because it outplayed and outcoached Syracuse at its own game." While the ESPN broadcast crew did an adequate job overall with their in-game analysis, I don't recall hearing them talk much about Milliman's "interim" status, or about the controversy over giving Syracuse a home game and sending Cornell on the road. I'd also like to find out what happened when Milliman pulled Knight for a few minutes in the second quarter. I haven't seen anything about that in any of the post-match coverage.

The TV announcers mentioned that Cornell should remove the interim status for Milliman.

[CU77]

The theory that the flag at the end was on Solomon of Cuse for holding on to Pulver's stick was posted by me on laxpower; it is refuted by the non-whistle when a Cuse player picks up the ball (but time was almost up at that point so it's conceivable that the ref just didn't get the whistle blown yet). IMO, the correct call was a flag on Cuse. Whether this was the actual call is known only to the ref.

[scoop85]

Thanks, Al.  This shutoff stuff is terrible to watch.  Poor Jeff Teat looks so lonely.  Thank God for Clarke Peterson.  LGR!

I'm afraid the next two years will be like this for Teat.  Shame.

I agree. The problem is that Teat is a tactical player, but not especially physical, so it's easier to shut him off then a bigger attackman like Pat Spencer.

[French Rage]

So I need some remedial lax tutoring.  5 seconds to go and we truck the Syracuse player with possession and take the penalty.  Why didn't that stop the play and lead to Syracuse getting some advantage (extra player?) for the final 5 seconds?  

It looked to me like our Dman could have just pulled out a handgun and shot the guy and there would be no recourse at that point.

That seems like a Very Stupid Way to structure your rules.

I'll hang up and take my answer off the air.

Wouldn't the same be the case for hockey?  Or is there some rule where it's up to the refs discretion?  Like maybe if there's 5-10 seconds left you could trip someone and then have your players avoid touching the puck while time runs down; probably harder to do safely in hockey given the smaller dimensions of the game.

[ugarte]

The penalty was not with 7 seconds left, it was with 2 seconds left. I think that makes most of the discussion academic. I am going to guess - presuming the penalty is on Pulver - that if you pull that move with 15 seconds left and somehow the clock just winds down (say the ball is trapped under Solomon) that the refs have discretion to put time back on the clock.

[Al DeFlorio]

Teat article on collegecross:

https://www.collegecrosse.com/2018/5/14/17350582/jeff-teat-cornell-big-red-not-a-tewaaraton-award-finalist-attack

[KenP]

Teat article on collegecross:

https://www.collegecrosse.com/2018/5/14/17350582/jeff-teat-cornell-big-red-not-a-tewaaraton-award-finalist-attack

Wow, that's crazy. I wonder how much his 0G-1A was a factor.

My favorite ESPN commentator line came just before that assist. "Teat now being guarded by a short stick I wonder what he will do." ...... "Anything he wants to...."

[Al DeFlorio]

Teat article on collegecross:

https://www.collegecrosse.com/2018/5/14/17350582/jeff-teat-cornell-big-red-not-a-tewaaraton-award-finalist-attack

Wow, that's crazy. I wonder how much his 0G-1A was a factor.

My favorite ESPN commentator line came just before that assist. "Teat now being guarded by a short stick I wonder what he will do." ...... "Anything he wants to...."

Thanks for reminding me of those classic comments.

[semsox]

Regarding the penalty at the end and lack of dead-ball, I wonder if they'd ever change the rules to do something like in hockey, where maybe you allow a 7th attacker into the offensive half of the field before any whistle. This would generate a transition like opportunity of having an unmarked man streaking towards the box, and would also essentially lengthen the penalty advantage to the duration of the foul + whatever length of time you get the extra attacker. This seems like a more natural solution than those over at LaxPower calling for extra clock being put on after time expires.

[upprdeck]

except even now we dont know for sure which team the last penalty was on..

[Swampy]

If the penalty was on Cornell, play should stop when Cornell gains possession or the ball goes out of play.

If the penalty was on Syracuse, the same rule apply to Syracuse.

People have made good points about the rules and teams leading in tight games and fouling, deliberately or not. Here are some thoughts about tactics in such situations:

1. The leading team should contest ground balls and continue to defend as well as it can, but avoid gaining possession of the ball.
2. The opponent should try to gain possession as soon as possible and then throw the ball out of bounds at an advantageous spot; this will stop play, allow the team to get its EMO unit out, and give the team a man-up advantage.

[djk26]

Is there any chance Cornell will have Paul Rasimowicz back for Sunday's game, or is he out for the year?