Cornell lacrosse 2018

Started by billhoward, August 07, 2017, 05:21:56 PM

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Beeeej

Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.

Well, we didn't crush them so hard their ancestors wept, so in fairness, it was a little short of expectations.
Beeeej, Esq.

"Cornell isn't an organization.  It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
   - Steve Worona

Al DeFlorio

Quote from: Beeeej
Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.

Well, we didn't crush them so hard their ancestors wept, so in fairness, it was a little short of expectations.
For the first twenty minutes, it looked like Princeton redux.  No offense without Teat.  Fortunately, Brown has no offense, period.  With everyone.
Al DeFlorio '65

mike1960

Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.

In my opinion, we did lose -- maybe not the game, but potentially something more important. You never tell your best player to stand on the side while your team battles without him. It's demoralizing.

billhoward

Quote from: mike1960
Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.
In my opinion, we did lose -- maybe not the game, but potentially something more important. You never tell your best player to stand on the side while your team battles without him. It's demoralizing.
I trust the Daily Sun, or Ithaca Journal if it's covering Cornell lax this year, will ask that question. It may be we don't understand Cornell's winning tactics. But then there's also the emperor's new clothes theory. All is forgiven if we make the tournament and our first game.

BearLover

Quote from: mike1960
Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.

In my opinion, we did lose -- maybe not the game, but potentially something more important. You never tell your best player to stand on the side while your team battles without him. It's demoralizing.
Wait, what happened?

mike1960

Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: mike1960
Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.

In my opinion, we did lose -- maybe not the game, but potentially something more important. You never tell your best player to stand on the side while your team battles without him. It's demoralizing.
Wait, what happened?

A Brown long pole faceguarded Teat, so we completely gave in to Brown's strategy by having Teat stand at the midline while the rest of the team played 5 on 5 against a zone (outside shots against the best goalie in the Ivies). We took one of the best players in the country out of play because of a simple faceguard.

Imagine asking Paul Rabil or Paul Gait or Casey Powell to park near the midline because he was faceguarded. Imagine their response.


David Harding

The Sun Says basically the same things.  
QuoteThe Red's star player sophomore attack Jeff Teat was a non-factor for much of the game, as Brown defenseman Michael Brown held the Ontario native to just three points.

"I think we did a good job just playing without [Teat]," Petterson said. "Obviously he's one of the best players in the country, so it's going to be tough to get the goals up there without being able to utilize him."

The Red responded by having Teat lead his defender away from the play, leaving the offense in a five-on-five situation for much of the first half.

"We went to five on five to create more space for us," Petterson said. "If Jeff and the person that's locking him off are standing there in the middle, it kind of clogs things up for us a bit ... [But] the principles of our offense stay the same. We stay disciplined, we try to work for the best shot."

JasonN95

Maybe the coach thought the team could win like this and wanted to guard his plans for getting Teat free until the team is playing Yale?

Or maybe all the talk of removing the "Interim" tag mid season was premature after all?

French Rage

Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.

Remember, on this forum you have to translate every post from Angry Old Man before you read it.
03/23/02: Maine 4, Harvard 3
03/28/03: BU 6, Harvard 4
03/26/04: Maine 5, Harvard 4
03/26/05: UNH 3, Harvard 2
03/25/06: Maine 6, Harvard 1

mike1960

Quote from: JasonN95Maybe the coach thought the team could win like this and wanted to guard his plans for getting Teat free until the team is playing Yale?

I hope he didn't think this way. Cornell could easily have lost that game. In the fourth, they were up only 6-4, facing a non-releasable 1-minute penalty and two timeouts. Season on the line.

billhoward

#2 seed (in the league) Johns Hopkins beats #1 seed Maryland 13-10 for the Big Ten title. Maryland controlled the last 2 minutes of play and did a very nice job of passing the ball around without getting many shots off. Finally got goal 10 with :07 left. Hopkins led by a very-well-fed-looking Pietramala, Cornell coach 1998-2000, Maryland by John Tillman '91. Big Ten announcers said not to worry about Maryland because the Terps save their best lacrosse for May. Sure. They won the NCAA tournament last year and then the previous one was 1975. 3-12 in NCAA title games. They believe Maryland still gets the 1-seed in the tournament draw.

Others:
CAA - UMass over Towson
Big East, Georgetown over Denver (#3 USILA poll)
NEC, Robbie Morris over St Jospeh
MAAC, Canisius over Detroit Mercy

Georgetown was #18 in the polls and probably would not have made it to the NCAAs without the win. Denver will grab one of the at large spots. So that is one less spot should Cornell need at an-large bid. Cornell was 12 in RPI going into the Brown game.

CU77

If Cornell loses to Yale, it's going to be very tight for an at-large bid. Here are the final RPI numbers, assuming Yale beats Cornell and Duke beats BU (the only other remaining game):

1. Maryland 0.6546
2. Albany 0.6467 AQ
3. Yale 0.6428 AQ
4. Johns Hopkins 0.6351 AQ
5. Notre Dame 0.6292
6. Duke 0.6287
7. Loyola 0.6257 AQ
8. Denver 0.6044
9. Virginia 0.5863
10. Syracuse 0.5842
11. Villanova 0.5782
12. Penn 0.5771 ineligible
13. Georgetown 0.5755 AQ
14. Cornell 0.5729
15. Rutgers 0.5707
16. Bucknell 0.5687
17. Navy 0.5604
18. Ohio State 0.5594
19. Robert Morris 0.5579 AQ
20. Vermont 0.5533

If we go by straight RPI, #14 Cornell would be the last at-large team. But Bucknell has wins over #3 Yale (at Yale) and over #7 Loyola. Cornell's best win is over #10 Syracuse, and (in this scenario) they will have lost twice to Yale, at home and at a neutral field. So Bucknell could well get the nod.

mike1960

Quote from: CU773

If we go by straight RPI, #14 Cornell would be the last at-large team. But Bucknell has wins over #3 Yale (at Yale) and over #7 Loyola. Cornell's best win is over #10 Syracuse, and (in this scenario) they will have lost twice to Yale, at home and at a neutral field. So Bucknell could well get the nod.

Bucknell lost to Richmond, Navy, Penn, and Boston U. Yes, they beat Yale and Loyola, but those losses . . .

CU77

Looking on the bright side: a win over Yale would not only secure the AQ, but also move Cornell all the way up to #9 in RPI, which would open up the possibility of a home game. I can see Cornell, with their wins over #6 Yale and #10 Cuse, getting the nod for a home game over #8 Denver, whose best win is over #12 Nova in this scenario.