RPI @ Cornell 2/24/17

[LGR14]

big PWR game tomorrow.. a loss and we might drop out again.   A win and we could sweep the second round and probably lock in a bid.

Absent any other results at all, a loss to Union tomorrow drops us to #14 and hanging on by a thread. But of course there will be a few dozen other results.

Right. Keep in mind that a Cornell loss tomorrow + a Penn State loss would put Cornell at 9th (without accounting for any other results). There's just so much that can happen.

[Beeeej]

big PWR game tomorrow.. a loss and we might drop out again.   A win and we could sweep the second round and probably lock in a bid.

Absent any other results at all, a loss to Union tomorrow drops us to #14 and hanging on by a thread. But of course there will be a few dozen other results.

Right. Keep in mind that a Cornell loss tomorrow + a Penn State loss would put Cornell at 9th (without accounting for any other results). There's just so much that can happen.

That's not what I get at all. Cornell loss to Union and Penn State loss to Michigan State still puts us at 14th. Are you customizing via CHN?

[Dafatone]

As someone pointed out at some point, our great win% kinda works against us, in that a loss hurts our win% more than a win helps it, due to the math and how fractions work and whatnot.

This, if nothing else, is why we want a strong ECAC.  10th in the pairwise with a lower win% (.600 or so) gives us more room to grow and more ability to weather a loss than 10th in the pairwise with a really high win% (.700+).

[LGR14]

big PWR game tomorrow.. a loss and we might drop out again.   A win and we could sweep the second round and probably lock in a bid.

Absent any other results at all, a loss to Union tomorrow drops us to #14 and hanging on by a thread. But of course there will be a few dozen other results.

Right. Keep in mind that a Cornell loss tomorrow + a Penn State loss would put Cornell at 9th (without accounting for any other results). There's just so much that can happen.

That's not what I get at all. Cornell loss to Union and Penn State loss to Michigan State still puts us at 14th. Are you customizing via CHN?

I am, but you're right. For some reason it's not saving my Cornell result when I go to input PSU's.

[abmarks]

As someone pointed out at some point, our great win% kinda works against us, in that a loss hurts our win% more than a win helps it, due to the math and how fractions work and whatnot.

This, if nothing else, is why we want a strong ECAC.  10th in the pairwise with a lower win% (.600 or so) gives us more room to grow and more ability to weather a loss than 10th in the pairwise with a really high win% (.700+).

This is completely absurd.  All that matters is the tally at the end of the season. Your inability to handle the ups and downs should not be a factor

[Trotsky]

This, if nothing else, is why we want a strong ECAC.

Top 5 winning percentages in D1:

1. .786 Harvard
2. .758 Denver
3. .734 Minn-Duluth
4. .727 Union
5. .714 Cornell

[marty]

Did anyone see why Buckles was so torqued off after receiving his 3rd period holding penalty?

He took it out on the penalty box.

[wakester2468]

The fact that ECAC teams are 1st 4th and 5th in winning percentage is a double edged sword. While on the surface it sure looks to be a positive, from a negative, the reason
for the high % rankings  causes the league as a whole to be weakened which affects Pairwise. This certainly is apparent in the current rankings. The bottom teams are very weak and bring down the top teams. There really are only four teams where wins help you. A likely Quarterfinal match up with Clarkson who hopefully we defeat  gives us two more wins against a team under .500 not particularly helpful. Paralysis by analysis is setting in but that defeats the point of this forum. The only thing for certain is to just keep winning and things will take care of themselves.

[andyw2100]

Did anyone see why Buckles was so torqued off after receiving his 3rd period holding penalty?

He took it out on the penalty box.

I'm guessing it was because he thought it was a ridiculous call. He was carrying the puck and was trying to fight off a defender.

[andyw2100]

On another note, I really would like to see a replay of our no-goal in the second period. I had a good look at it, and was certain that was a goal! I thought it had deflected off the goalie, hit the right post, and then hit the back of the net, fairly high up.

[profudge]

True Andy, and defender had stick up high on Buckles when he grabbed at it and pushed it aside; + Schafer was a bit upset on that call also.  But Buckles then going out and taking a fairly weak neutral zone penalty a short time later was poor decision or impulse control on his part.  

We took  3-4 really poor decision penalties in this game - I am glad our penalty kill played very well for most of the game.

[wakester2468]

Why is it that most other internet video offering from other schools show replays? We pay for this sub par product so it's the least they could do. Never mind the fact that most non Ivy School offer the games for free but that takes me back to posts month ago. Not sure the fee is solely a Cornell issue. It apparently is an Ivy League driven decision to
require the schools be a part of the ILDN. I did see where last weekend viewing the Clarkson or St Lawrence feed it was free of charge based on a generous donation
from a benefactor to the hockey program. Wonder if such a person stepped forward at CU, whether or not it would be allowed. One thing for certain is that he or she would be a hero in many people's eyes.

[Jim Hyla]

Why is it that most other internet video offering from other schools show replays? We pay for this sub par product so it's the least they could do. Never mind the fact that most non Ivy School offer the games for free but that takes me back to posts month ago. Not sure the fee is solely a Cornell issue. It apparently is an Ivy League driven decision to
require the schools be a part of the ILDN. I did see where last weekend viewing the Clarkson or St Lawrence feed it was free of charge based on a generous donation
from a benefactor to the hockey program. Wonder if such a person stepped forward at CU, whether or not it would be allowed. One thing for certain is that he or she would be a hero in many people's eyes.

We've discussed this so much that I'm hesitant to respond. However I feel pushed to do so.

When you say "most non Ivy School offer the games for free", you mean most ECAC non Ivy schools. If you look around the rest of college hockey, the streaming costs. The non Ivy schools are mainly Div III, except for hockey and hockey seems like their main sport, Colgate with football is an exception and maybe Q (but I don't know enough about general Q athletics). Those free schools also don't come close to covering the range of sports that the ILDN does. Does that mean that when we pay for the sports we love, we are subsidizing the other sports, probably. You'll have to decide whether that means anything to you.

Would I like better video, sure. Does that mean we need better cameras, more cameras, better processing, I don't know. If someone does know, please post. Maybe there's an alum that would take it up.

Do you know how many ILDN schools do replays, I don't.

Clarkson is free, generous alum, but they don't even archive their games. For a tech school, that's ridiculous. SLU didn't used to have archives, and now if you want an archive, you pay.

So I don't think things areas bad as you say, but I don't have all the data, so I could be convinced.

[LGR14]

Why is it that most other internet video offering from other schools show replays? We pay for this sub par product so it's the least they could do. Never mind the fact that most non Ivy School offer the games for free but that takes me back to posts month ago. Not sure the fee is solely a Cornell issue. It apparently is an Ivy League driven decision to
require the schools be a part of the ILDN. I did see where last weekend viewing the Clarkson or St Lawrence feed it was free of charge based on a generous donation
from a benefactor to the hockey program. Wonder if such a person stepped forward at CU, whether or not it would be allowed. One thing for certain is that he or she would be a hero in many people's eyes.

We've discussed this so much that I'm hesitant to respond. However I feel pushed to do so.

When you say "most non Ivy School offer the games for free", you mean most ECAC non Ivy schools. If you look around the rest of college hockey, the streaming costs. The non Ivy schools are mainly Div III, except for hockey and hockey seems like their main sport, Colgate with football is an exception and maybe Q (but I don't know enough about general Q athletics). Those free schools also don't come close to covering the range of sports that the ILDN does. Does that mean that when we pay for the sports we love, we are subsidizing the other sports, probably. You'll have to decide whether that means anything to you.

Would I like better video, sure. Does that mean we need better cameras, more cameras, better processing, I don't know. If someone does know, please post. Maybe there's an alum that would take it up.

Do you know how many ILDN schools do replays, I don't.

Clarkson is free, generous alum, but they don't even archive their games. For a tech school, that's ridiculous. SLU didn't used to have archives, and now if you want an archive, you pay.

So I don't think things areas bad as you say, but I don't have all the data, so I could be convinced.

No argument with any of this, but didn't we have reply on ILDN last year? I seem to remember that the replays were always preceded with the awful bear noise, but they were there nonetheless. It feels like they fired someone who was in charge of activating the replays during games.

[Dafatone]

This, if nothing else, is why we want a strong ECAC.

Top 5 winning percentages in D1:

1. .786 Harvard
2. .758 Denver
3. .734 Minn-Duluth
4. .727 Union
5. .714 Cornell

Sure, and for this year, the "weak" ECAC is really just that the bottom teams suck even more than usual.

But it is dragging us down.  Sucks, union, and Cornell all have better win% rankings than RPI rankings.  When your win% is ahead of your RPI, it means your schedule is weak.  Part of that is OOC issues, but the common factor is that brown and RPI suck.

Also, RPI beat Sucks this year.  Ha.