Quinnipiac signs 23 year-old transfer

[CAS]

John Furgele transferring to Q after 2 years at UNH.  Eliligible for 2017, he will turn 26 during his senior year.

[Rosey]

John Furgele transferring to Q after 2 years at UNH.  Eliligible for 2017, he will turn 26 during his senior year.

This is a great illustration of why I'm a bad fan. When his or her team sucks, a fan blames everything—the refs, the rules, other teams' cheating, the phase of the moon—everything, that is, *except* for his or her own team's inadequacies.

I'm already a fan of one team with a whiny fanbase contingent incapable of correctly locating blame for perpetual mediocrity (the Jets). Can we maybe avoid that here? Q's 23 year old sophomores are not the reason why Cornell can't put together a winning system.

[CAS]

Only whining I see is yours Kyle.

[underskill]

Kyle's right in this case.  QU has clearly put their money where their mouth is, devoted $$ resources to their hockey program, and far surpassed Cornell the past 5 years, and now our fanbase is whining about overage transfer students?

[Beeeej]

Seriously, who was whining?

[Rosey]

Seriously, who was whining?

This isn't a news story if someone isn't butthurt over their team being disadvantaged by it. You can read between the lines as well as I can.

(I knew it was the geriatrics! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them.)

[billhoward]

Undergraduate college education is mostly about 18- to 22-year-olds but not exclusively. It is hard to write rules that can discriminate in favor of those ages for sports competition without getting caught up in exclusions and loopholes. Is this really a huge problem?

Waiting a couple years to go to college means you may be able to drink legally and you'll be popular with your circle of friends.

[marty]

Seriously, who was whining?

This isn't a news story if someone isn't butthurt over their team being disadvantaged by it. You can read between the lines as well as I can.

(I knew it was the geriatrics! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them.)

I didn't read this as whining.  I thought is was just grist for the "Is the B1G whining justified?" discussion.

So that's what I'm not discussing.  I'm not spending more of my carbon footprint worrying about whether B1G will reintroduce this (rule change proposal) in the future.

[BearLover]

John Furgele transferring to Q after 2 years at UNH.  Eliligible for 2017, he will turn 26 during his senior year.

This is a great illustration of why I'm a bad fan. When his or her team sucks, a fan blames everything—the refs, the rules, other teams' cheating, the phase of the moon—everything, that is, *except* for his or her own team's inadequacies.

I'm already a fan of one team with a whiny fanbase contingent incapable of correctly locating blame for perpetual mediocrity (the Jets). Can we maybe avoid that here? Q's 23 year old sophomores are not the reason why Cornell can't put together a winning system.

Hockey is a zero-sum game, so the better your opponents are, the worse you are.  Us sucking and Q exploiting NCAA loopholes are not mutually exclusive.  This is pretty elementary stuff.

[Beeeej]

Seriously, who was whining?

This isn't a news story if someone isn't butthurt over their team being disadvantaged by it. You can read between the lines as well as I can.

(I knew it was the geriatrics! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them.)

I can infer and assume as well as you can, sure.

Anybody remember how old Dick Bertrand was when he was tri-captain for the 1969-70 undefeated team? Pretty sure he was 28. Goose, gander, pot, kettle, whatever.

[Rosey]

John Furgele transferring to Q after 2 years at UNH.  Eliligible for 2017, he will turn 26 during his senior year.

This is a great illustration of why I'm a bad fan. When his or her team sucks, a fan blames everything—the refs, the rules, other teams' cheating, the phase of the moon—everything, that is, *except* for his or her own team's inadequacies.

I'm already a fan of one team with a whiny fanbase contingent incapable of correctly locating blame for perpetual mediocrity (the Jets). Can we maybe avoid that here? Q's 23 year old sophomores are not the reason why Cornell can't put together a winning system.

Hockey is a zero-sum game, so the better your opponents are, the worse you are.  Us sucking and Q exploiting NCAA loopholes are not mutually exclusive.  This is pretty elementary stuff.

If we fixed the suckage, I guarantee the age of Q players would not be an issue. There's more than enough room for improvement on Cornell's part.

I'll also say that I'm skeptical that this is in any way unfair. Why would a dominant 23yo be less likely than an equally skilled 19yo to be in the pros rather than in the NCAA? That seems counterintuitive. If it's just that Q is pulling from a pool of players traditionally less deeply recruited, how is complaining about that any more legit than historical complaints about Cornell being full of Canadians from nowhere near central NY?

[Swampy]

Several people have voiced negative opinions about Q having low academic standards compared to the rest of the league. Other criticisms have pointed to Q having the oldest (in terms of average age) team in the league. I don't recall anyone calling out Q for redshirting, but that may be involved too. Of course, a version of redshirting that's legal even for the Ivies (cf. e.g., BR Wrestling) is to have players go to prep schools, juniors, or JC's for a few years beyond their high-school graduation, and then transfer in to finish their degrees.

I don't think having negative opinions of such practices is the same as whining. It's more about disapproval of sham academics and believing Q is out of place in a league where the other schools have much higher academic standards.

But everyone who participates in this forum is painfully aware of how poorly Cornell has done recently against the likes of Yale, Harvard, and even Dartmouth. If many people were attributing this to the unfair advantages such other schools have, then I would be more inclined to call this whining.

Instead, I interpret this thread to represent the strong feeling among some participants that Q belongs in a conference more like HE than the ECAC. People have said as much.

Of course, there's no intrinsic reason why an older transfer player should be any weaker academically than a kid fresh out of high school. So the point of this thread may be misplaced. But faulty logic and whining are still different things.

[CAS]

And Kyle, who are you to decide what an appropriate thread is?

[Rosey]

And Kyle, who are you to decide what an appropriate thread is?

I have an opinion, and I'm willing to share it. You are free to ignore it.

[KeithK]

Instead, I interpret this thread to represent the strong feeling among some participants that Q belongs in a conference more like HE than the ECAC. People have said as much.

If we have aspirations of being contenders for the national championship then this line of reasoning is kind of pointless.  We still have to best the less academically focused schools in order to have national success, whether they'r ein conference or not.