Do we need a housecleaning in the athletics dept?

[CAS]

With lower fundraising and ticket sales, it's more costly to finish 7th (or 8th) than 1st.

[CAS]

Basketball lost its 7th straight, falling to Penn 79-67.

[CAS]

According to 247sports.com, Columbia football under Al Bagnoli has recruited the 3rd best recruiting class in the FCS. Really.  5 Ivy schools are listed in the top 25 classes. Cornell is not one of them.  Also Steve Donahue has Penn basketball on the rise. After a 4-10 Ivy record last year, they are 5-5 this year.  Cornell is now 2-9 in the league.  Shows what's possible with the right coach...

[shasta1]

The ONLY sport at CU that actually generates revenue is Men's Hockey...several teams like men's bball get guaranteed money when they play big name schools, so the team makes out well playing upper level DI schools. Why alumn continue to give to such a pathetic team like football is beyond me.  Men's basketball is right up there, even with marginal students on the roster...meaning many of the better players would not have gotten in on their own.  The entire administration in the athletic department needs to be looked at...including Anita Brenner/Amy Foster/Larry Quant.

[scoop85]

The ONLY sport at CU that actually generates revenue is Men's Hockey...several teams like men's bball get guaranteed money when they play big name schools, so the team makes out well playing upper level DI schools. Why alumn continue to give to such a pathetic team like football is beyond me.  Men's basketball is right up there, even with marginal students on the roster...meaning many of the better players would not have gotten in on their own.  The entire administration in the athletic department needs to be looked at...including Anita Brenner/Amy Foster/Larry Quant.

I don't disagree that the department needs a housecleaning, but the reality is that many athletes in the "big" sports, not just in basketball, get a significant boost in admissions by virtue of their athletic ability.

[TimV]

...the reality is that many athletes in the "big" sports, not just in basketball, get a significant boost in admissions by virtue of their athletic ability.

True, equally so at all the Ivy schools, even more so at Duke, Stanford,and Michigan.  But almost all at Cornell stay in school and earn their degree.  So what?

[Ken711]

According to 247sports.com, Columbia football under Al Bagnoli has recruited the 3rd best recruiting class in the FCS. Really.  5 Ivy schools are listed in the top 25 classes. Cornell is not one of them.  Also Steve Donahue has Penn basketball on the rise. After a 4-10 Ivy record last year, they are 5-5 this year.  Cornell is now 2-9 in the league.  Shows what's possible with the right coach...

They are going to make great strides in a short time with the talent they are bringing in.  That doesn't even include some impact transfers from FBS schools they are reported to be getting.

[scoop85]

...the reality is that many athletes in the "big" sports, not just in basketball, get a significant boost in admissions by virtue of their athletic ability.

True, equally so at all the Ivy schools, even more so at Duke, Stanford,and Michigan.  But almost all at Cornell stay in school and earn their degree.  So what?

I was simply responding to Shasta1's post that impugned the academic credentials of some of the basketball players by pointing out that the "relaxation" of admission standards was not limited to that sport

[Swampy]

Some outstanding schools do just fine without DI athletics, esp. football. MIT & U of Chicago come to mind.

Even most schools in big time conferences don't make money from sports.

[Trotsky]

MIT reinstated football about 20 years ago.

[Swampy]

MIT reinstated football about 20 years ago.

I thought MIT plays D-III.

[Trotsky]

MIT reinstated football about 20 years ago.

I thought MIT plays D-III.

Misread you.  I thought you were saying no football at all (which was the case at MIT for a long time).

[David Harding]

MIT reinstated football about 20 years ago.

I thought MIT plays D-III.

Misread you.  I thought you were saying no football at all (which was the case at MIT for a long time).

Chicago also has a football team.  Thjey've played in D III since 1973.  Caltech, on the other hand, has only a club team.

[ugarte]

Some outstanding schools do just fine without DI athletics, esp. football. MIT & U of Chicago come to mind.

Even most schools in big time conferences don't make money from sports.

This is true only if you accept that the Hollywood accounting is reasonable no matter what Politifact says. Between pro-level facilities, administrative bureaucracies and seven-figure coaching salaries, yeah, that revenue gets eaten up.

[Swampy]

Some outstanding schools do just fine without DI athletics, esp. football. MIT & U of Chicago come to mind.

Even most schools in big time conferences don't make money from sports.

This is true only if you accept that the Hollywood accounting is reasonable no matter what Politifact says. Between pro-level facilities, administrative bureaucracies and seven-figure coaching salaries, yeah, that revenue gets eaten up.

Excellent point! Do you know of any studies that assume, for example, coaches and athletic staff would be paid as little as professors?