ECAC 2015-16

[Iceberg]

The non-Ivy teams have already played a considerable amount of OOC games and RPI and Harvard swept their travel partners in league games last weekend. Everybody plays this weekend, including the two alleged favorites (Harvard and Yale). We'll see how long that lasts

[Iceberg]

Yale/RPI currently tied and Harvard/QU still scoreless. Those are probably the most intriguing matchups away from Lynah tonight.

[marty]

The final two goals in the Qpac Harvard game were scored only one second apart. With Q leading 3-0 and killing a 5 on 3 Harvard pulled the goalie and scored 6 on 3. And then this from the USCHO fan forum.

After Harvard scored, the teams lined up for the center ice faceoff with Harvard's net empty. Travis St. Denis won the draw directly back to Timmy Clifton who seemingly one timed the puck into the net from beyond center ice. Pretty cool.

[Jim Hyla]

The final two goals in the Qpac Harvard game were scored only one second apart. With Q leading 3-0 and killing a 5 on 3 Harvard pulled the goalie and scored 6 on 3. And then this from the USCHO fan forum.

After Harvard scored, the teams lined up for the center ice faceoff with Harvard's net empty. Travis St. Denis won the draw directly back to Timmy Clifton who seemingly one timed the puck into the net from beyond center ice. Pretty cool.

Of course that has to take more than 1 second.

[David Harding]

The final two goals in the Qpac Harvard game were scored only one second apart. With Q leading 3-0 and killing a 5 on 3 Harvard pulled the goalie and scored 6 on 3. And then this from the USCHO fan forum.

After Harvard scored, the teams lined up for the center ice faceoff with Harvard's net empty. Travis St. Denis won the draw directly back to Timmy Clifton who seemingly one timed the puck into the net from beyond center ice. Pretty cool.

Of course that has to take more than 1 second.

You can make your own guesses for the puck speed, but with what seem to me reasonable assumptins, 1 second doesn't seem far off.  The puck hits the ice on the faceoff and the clock starts.  A clean draw to Clifton, a forward, travels about 20 feet sideways at, maybe, 50 mph.  That's 273 ms.  Clifton one-times it at the net, 92 feet away (sqrt(90² + 20²)) at maybe 80 mph.  That's another 786 ms.  Total 1058 ms. I'd expect any reaction time by the timekeeper on starting the clock on the faceoff and stopping it on the goal would approximately cancel.  Plug in your own puck speed assumptions, but I don't think you'll get over 1.9 seconds.

[Swampy]

The final two goals in the Qpac Harvard game were scored only one second apart. With Q leading 3-0 and killing a 5 on 3 Harvard pulled the goalie and scored 6 on 3. And then this from the USCHO fan forum.

After Harvard scored, the teams lined up for the center ice faceoff with Harvard's net empty. Travis St. Denis won the draw directly back to Timmy Clifton who seemingly one timed the puck into the net from beyond center ice. Pretty cool.

Of course that has to take more than 1 second.

You can make your own guesses for the puck speed, but with what seem to me reasonable assumptins, 1 second doesn't seem far off.  The puck hits the ice on the faceoff and the clock starts.  A clean draw to Clifton, a forward, travels about 20 feet sideways at, maybe, 50 mph.  That's 273 ms.  Clifton one-times it at the net, 92 feet away (sqrt(90² + 20²)) at maybe 80 mph.  That's another 786 ms.  Total 1058 ms. I'd expect any reaction time by the timekeeper on starting the clock on the faceoff and stopping it on the goal would approximately cancel.  Plug in your own puck speed assumptions, but I don't think you'll get over 1.9 seconds.

Oh, I love following an Ivy League team!!! ::laugh::

[Iceberg]

Brown with an obvious goal disallowed in overtime. From 2:19:08 onward


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ygWucWvB0

[Jim Hyla]

Brown with an obvious goal disallowed in overtime. From 2:19:08 onward


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ygWucWvB0

So Marty, or anyone else, did they ever explain that?

[upprdeck]

what the heck?  did he blow a whistle for no reason?  he waived off the goal but he didnt seem to blow the play dead? and it was a clear goal?

[Jim Hyla]

Brown with an obvious goal disallowed in overtime. From 2:19:08 onward


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ygWucWvB0

So Marty, or anyone else, did they ever explain that?

Answering my own question. From the RPI thread on USCHO Forum:

Without a Peer @without_a_peer

Hearing that the goal was disallowed because that was the call on the ice and the replay malfunctioned. Hooooboy.

[upprdeck]

this is another game ending replay mistake.  the ECAC should change the result unless that can offer some explanation as to why its a no goal.

[upprdeck]

and now we see the replay system broke..  what i dont get is why it was called a no goal in the first place.. the original waive off seemed tobe for the shot the defense saved not for the goal itself. they should have gone to replay which i though they were allowed to do by the new rules.

[RichH]

Brown with an obvious goal disallowed in overtime. From 2:19:08 onward


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ygWucWvB0

So Marty, or anyone else, did they ever explain that?

From http://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Controversial-call-preserves-tie-between-RPI-6633349.php

Brown appeared to get a puck into the RPI net on a power play with 41.9 seconds left in overtime, but officials called it no-goal and went to the in-house replay system to review the play.

The press box replay system failed and was unable to produce an overhead view of the puck and its position relative to the goal line. Schroeder claims he knocked it out while helping goalie Cam Hackett. The officials were forced to stick with their original call despite furious protests from Brown coach Brendan Whittet.

So the RPI-tv crew (and audience) watched it about 8 times, but they couldn't get the outstanding overhead camera view to the refs?  Terrible. The league needs to remedy this.


This was also good from the RPI player who ended up in the net:

"I crashed (the net) and got it out of there; that's all I can really say," Schroeder said. "I don't know what happened from there. I was face down. I got it out from the goal line when Cam made the first save. It was trickling in and I got it out."

Video clearly shows him swiping the puck lying underneath him out of the goal as he was getting up.

Appert claims the refs blew it dead. Somehow. As the puck careened off his goalie's skate into the net.

"Zach made a good defensive play," said RPI coach Seth Appert, who firmly believed an official's whistle preceded any possibility of the puck crossing the line. "Apparently, it didn't go in. All four officials didn't see it go in. They were all in good postion. I thought they handled it well considering the circumstances."

A couple more observations from the video:

Are Kitchen and Drain permanently paired together as linesmen? That would be awesome.

RPI students have picked up our Remote Control goalie, only they seem to just enjoy the tuuuuuuurn a great deal. Besides, Cornell students only seem to care about chanting "bend over" now.

As Brown called the time-out, a very loud "Brown is shit! Shit is Brown!" chant happened.

[upprdeck]

was there any whistle at all?  and how do all te refs ignore the fact the puck is in the back of the net? its not like it was in and out too fast to see.

[RichH]

was there any whistle at all?  and how do all te refs ignore the fact the puck is in the back of the net? its not like it was in and out too fast to see.

The whistle happens more than three seconds after the puck enters the net. You can watch the clock wind down on the video.

I think it was ruled "no goal" initially because it was judged that the net was dislodged before the puck went in. The replay clearly shows that not to be the case, but if they couldn't see the replay, the initial call on the ice has to stand.

Hmmmm...funny time for the replay system to "fail" when the home team benefits. At a tech school.