Tough times for Cornell athletics

[KeithK]

the question really is does the BoT care enough to ask the AD to do a good job...

Who sas they don't?  But they may not be using "win NCAA or Ivy championships" (in the sports I care about) as the only or primary metric for doing a good job.  It probably shouldn't be at an academic institution.

[Scersk '97]

No argument here. Why did [we let?] Jim Hofher leave, again?

It was his choice.  He wanted to return to coaching at the D1 level, hoping to advance his coaching career at a higher level program.

Perhaps if we'd been to show him a bit more green, or some facility upgrades?

Yet the subsequent years proved good ol' Chaz. Moore (the CEO of Athletics) to have been pretty astute in making personnel decisions. Perhaps there was nothing to be done. Mangurian, hired by Charlie, seemed to have the team heading in the right direction as well, the season-ending and championship-losing loss in the "Ivy Bowl" notwithstanding.

I had no idea during my "salad days" that I was watching the tail end of some football "golden years."

[upprdeck]

maybe we should be wondering why they spend a million+ on charter day but asked the kids to kick in money to pay for health care.

[Ken711]

No argument here. Why did [we let?] Jim Hofher leave, again?

It was his choice.  He wanted to return to coaching at the D1 level, hoping to advance his coaching career at a higher level program.

Perhaps if we'd been to show him a bit more green, or some facility upgrades?

Yet the subsequent years proved good ol' Chaz. Moore (the CEO of Athletics) to have been pretty astute in making personnel decisions. Perhaps there was nothing to be done. Mangurian, hired by Charlie, seemed to have the team heading in the right direction as well, the season-ending and championship-losing loss in the "Ivy Bowl" notwithstanding.

I had no idea during my "salad days" that I was watching the tail end of some football "golden years."

Columbia brought in an outside consultant to evaluate the football program, athletic admissions process, facilities etc.  One result, they make a smart hire an Al Bagnoli.  Perhaps it's time for Cornell to bring in an outside consultant to evaluate the lack of success Cornell has experienced in sport programs like football and basketball as well.

[Towerroad]

No argument here. Why did [we let?] Jim Hofher leave, again?

It was his choice.  He wanted to return to coaching at the D1 level, hoping to advance his coaching career at a higher level program.

Perhaps if we'd been to show him a bit more green, or some facility upgrades?

Yet the subsequent years proved good ol' Chaz. Moore (the CEO of Athletics) to have been pretty astute in making personnel decisions. Perhaps there was nothing to be done. Mangurian, hired by Charlie, seemed to have the team heading in the right direction as well, the season-ending and championship-losing loss in the "Ivy Bowl" notwithstanding.

I had no idea during my "salad days" that I was watching the tail end of some football "golden years."

Columbia brought in an outside consultant to evaluate the football program, athletic admissions process, facilities etc.  One result, they make a smart hire an Al Bagnoli.  Perhaps it's time for Cornell to bring in an outside consultant to evaluate the lack of success Cornell has experienced in sport programs like football and basketball as well.

That would require the AD and other administrators to stop looking in the mirror and admiring themselves.

[Johnny 5]

I'm heartbroken.
Lacrosse was my refuge.
Especially after hockey season.

::help::

[CAS]

Agree Ken, we need someone outside the athletic dept to evaluate why we are uncompetitive in football, and possibly examine other issues hurting Cornell programs.

[Greenberg '97]

I had no idea during my "salad days" that I was watching the tail end of some football "golden years."

Cornell's football excitement ended on a broken play fullback option at Baker Field.  I still have to change the channel whenever Marcellus Wiley comes on.

[Trotsky]

Weren't people saying just a few years ago that Cornell was doing well and Andy had made some smart hires?

In football and basketball we play in the Special Olympics conference.  I don't think we can draw any conclusions from year-to-year performance other than "we got worse one-half star prospects than Brown last year."

[CAS]

Andy has hired 4 football head coaches who combined have 1 winning season at Cornell.

[underskill]

I'm assuming the administration is concerned with success in wrestling, hockey and lacrosse on a consistent basis; anything else is a bonus.

[billhoward]

Columbia brought in an outside consultant to evaluate the football program, athletic admissions process, facilities etc.  One result, they make a smart hire an Al Bagnoli.  Perhaps it's time for Cornell to bring in an outside consultant to evaluate the lack of success Cornell has experienced in sport programs like football and basketball as well.

Bagnoli is 62 and no spring chicken. Recall we brought in Bob Blackman when he was in his 60th year and he went 23-33-1. At Dartmouth, hired when he was 39, Blackman went 104-37-3. A coach in his 40s or 50s is more likely to be in his prime.

Cornell doesn't deliberately hire bad football coaches. Maxie Baughan may well have been a great coach at Cornell (1983-88) but personal conduct did him in. He lifted the team frm 3-6-1 to 7-2-1 and a tie for first in the Ivies.

[Ken711]

Columbia brought in an outside consultant to evaluate the football program, athletic admissions process, facilities etc.  One result, they make a smart hire an Al Bagnoli.  Perhaps it's time for Cornell to bring in an outside consultant to evaluate the lack of success Cornell has experienced in sport programs like football and basketball as well.

Bagnoli is 62 and no spring chicken. Recall we brought in Bob Blackman when he was in his 60th year and he went 23-33-1. At Dartmouth, hired when he was 39, Blackman went 104-37-3.

Cornell doesn't deliberately hire bad football coaches. Maxie Baughan may well have been a great coach at Cornell (1983-88) but personal conduct did him in. He lifted the team frm 3-6-1 to 7-2-1 and a tie for first in the Ivies.

I'm not saying they deliberately hire bad football coaches (although the Tim Pendergast hire was pretty suspect), then it may be other areas where the support system for these recent coaches is lacking.  Is it the facilities, the admissions process, I'm not sure, but clearly and outside consultant with a fresh evaluation wouldn't hurt.

[phillysportsfan]

Who cares about football, cant go to the playoffs

[CAS]

Many would care about football if we were any good. We have had 1 winning season (6-4 record) in the last 14 years. Why excuse all the losing?  Is there any accountability for performance?   Why not do what's necessary to have a successful football program?