Tonight's game v. Penn State

[David Harding]

has anyone read the hockey stat guide? is it even possible to award an assist by rule to someone who doesnt touch the puck?  in hockey can you award more than 2 or someone other than the last 2 ?  in basketball you can but its hardly ever done.

From the 2009 NCAA Ice Hockey Statisticians Manual

Crediting assists: When a player scores a goal, an assist
shall be credited to the player or players taking part in the play
immediately preceding the goal, but no more than two assists
can be given on any goal.
(1) Goaltender Exception: A goaltender may only be credited
with an assist if he or she clearly and intentionally
directs the puck toward a teammate, or moves a puck
into a set position to be picked up by one of his or her
teammates. Simply stopping the momentum of a puck
does not warrant an assist.
(2) Each assist shall count one point in the player's record.

There are five examples offered for clarification, but every one involves platers touching the puck.

[Josh '99]

All shots are not created equal.

All saves are not created equal.

Adfing a qualitative component to these statistics to make them more valuable and telling.

And all assists are not created equal.

For sure some assists are not equal, watch Saulnier (19) on CU's second goal. It starts around 1:10. Now that's an assist.

"Big Red puts up an impressive 8 points against the Golden Knights, with a final score of 8-3 at Cheel Arena," wrote someone who works for ECAC Hockey but doesn't know the word "goals".

[RichH]

Our two non-BU opponents liked the experience.

https://twitter.com/chnews/status/542064270771769344

[RichH]

I haven't commented, but considering I'm a regular critic of the Athletic Department's administration, I will tip my hat for the MSG production this season. For past Red Hot Hockey (Hockies?), it seemed to me that the event was heavily tilted in BU's promotional direction, despite the CU attendance advantage. This time, it was decidedly a Cornell Event all the way.  The outside of the building was lit up red, all of the scoreboard content was Cornell-related. About the only thing we didn't have was Arthur on the PA and Dave driving the Zamboni.

This one didn't sell out, but I'm putting the blame squarely on our guest this time. Had PSU done any promotion and gotten anywhere close to the attendance that BU and Michigan had, that matches previous attendances.  On TicketMaster a day before the game, they had a seating option for"Penn State Fan Section," which I take to mean that their ticket allotment got released to the public. Their end was easily the emptiest section of the arena, and I noticed that a scattering of Red fans had taken advantage of the lax (and friendly) usher-ing and moved down into the PSU end to get better seats by the 3rd period.

There were Penn State fans scattered around other sections, to be sure. I overheard a couple near the top of my section talking about how surprised they were at the extent that Penn State was outnumbered, fan-wise.  That never happens, I guess? Or they just need to learn that there are some big fan bases in the Hockey world from schools you don't expect.  They also found out that shouting "WE ARE..." when surrounded by Cornell fans who can think of clever ways to finish that sentence doesn't lead to expected results.

One question: if this game wasn't televised (since it sounds like the ILDN feed came from the scoreboard), why were there TV timeouts? They had the red lightbulb signal from the scorer's box and everything.

[margolism]

PS football game + lack of fan base (alumni and students) surrounding new D1 sport = lack of PS fan attendance at MSG

[jkahn]

PS football game + lack of fan base (alumni and students) surrounding new D1 sport = lack of PS fan attendance at MSG

Additionally, I heard from a reputable source that Cornell was not happy that Penn State did almost nothing to publicize the game.  Better attendance would increase our leverage in negotiating with MSG going forward.

[Trotsky]

After Cornell and BU, who is the most obvious NYC metro area alumni D-1 school?  Yale?  Colgate?  Princeton?  UConn?

Here are the appearances in the ECAC Holiday Festival held at MSG between 1962 and 1977:

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11 SLU
10 Clarkson
 7 Cornell
 7 BC
 6 Brown
 4 Yale
 3 BU
 2 Colgate
 2 Northeastern
 2 Notre Dame
 2 Bowdoin
 1 Army
 1 Providence
 1 Princeton
 1 Dartmouth
 1 Minnesota
 1 RPI
 1 Harvard
 1 Penn
 1 Vermont
 1 St. Louis


[RichH]

After Cornell and BU, who is the most obvious NYC metro area alumni D-1 school?  Yale?  Colgate?  Princeton?  UConn?

Given its football history with NYC, Notre Dame should be on the short list.
http://www.ndnyc.org/s/1210/clubs-interior.aspx?sid=1210&gid=445&pgid=5523

[Chris '03]

After Cornell and BU, who is the most obvious NYC metro area alumni D-1 school?  Yale?  Colgate?  Princeton?  UConn?

Here are the appearances in the ECAC Holiday Festival held at MSG between 1962 and 1977:

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11 SLU
10 Clarkson
 7 Cornell
 7 BC
 6 Brown
 4 Yale
 3 BU
 2 Colgate
 2 Northeastern
 2 Notre Dame
 2 Bowdoin
 1 Army
 1 Providence
 1 Princeton
 1 Dartmouth
 1 Minnesota
 1 RPI
 1 Harvard
 1 Penn
 1 Vermont
 1 St. Louis


Confining your thinking to alumni bases specifically misses the larger draw of "name" schools like Michigan. Plenty of folks who've never been to Ann Arbor are Michigan fans and you see Sioux jerseys all over the place. Name recognition beyond the college hockey world is important.  For me, beyond BU, it's:

Tier one:
Notre Dame
Michigan

Tier Two:
North Dakota
Boston College


Tier Three:
UConn (for now)
Penn State
Minnesota

Tier Four:
Wisconsin
Ohio State

Tier Five:
Michigan State
Vermont
Arizona State


Syracuse would be a natural opponent too if they ever fielded a men's team.

[ursusminor]

FWIW, supposedly RPI was invited to the ECAC Holiday Festival several times but could not go because of conflicts with its own tourney. The one year they went, the RPI Tourney was after New Year's Day.

[Robb]

[quo?te=ursusminor]
FWIW, supposedly RPI was invited to the ECAC Holiday Festival several times but could not go because of conflicts with its own tourney. The one year they went, the RPI Tourney was after New Year's Day.[/quote]Right after they turned down their Ivy League invite, eh?  

[ursusminor]

FWIW, supposedly RPI was invited to the ECAC Holiday Festival several times but could not go because of conflicts with its own tourney. The one year they went, the RPI Tourney was after New Year's Day.

Right after they turned down their Ivy League invite, eh?  

I never heard that RPI was invited to be a member of the Ivy League, and I doubt it. :-)

There was a rumor, never verified, that RPI and Johns Hopkins were negotiating with the Patriot League at the time when their ability to offer athletic scholarships as D-III schools was being challenged. But that is not exactly the same thing. :-D

[Josh '99]

After Cornell and BU, who is the most obvious NYC metro area alumni D-1 school?  Yale?  Colgate?  Princeton?  UConn?

Here are the appearances in the ECAC Holiday Festival held at MSG between 1962 and 1977:

Code Select Expand


11 SLU
10 Clarkson
 7 Cornell
 7 BC
 6 Brown
 4 Yale
 3 BU
 2 Colgate
 2 Northeastern
 2 Notre Dame
 2 Bowdoin
 1 Army
 1 Providence
 1 Princeton
 1 Dartmouth
 1 Minnesota
 1 RPI
 1 Harvard
 1 Penn
 1 Vermont
 1 St. Louis


Confining your thinking to alumni bases specifically misses the larger draw of "name" schools like Michigan. Plenty of folks who've never been to Ann Arbor are Michigan fans and you see Sioux jerseys all over the place. Name recognition beyond the college hockey world is important.  For me, beyond BU, it's:

Tier one:
Notre Dame
Michigan

Tier Two:
North Dakota
Boston College


Tier Three:
UConn (for now)
Penn State
Minnesota

Tier Four:
Wisconsin
Ohio State

Tier Five:
Michigan State
Vermont
Arizona State


Syracuse would be a natural opponent too if they ever fielded a men's team.

I might consider BC to be part of the top tier (large alumni base, many of whom are located in the NYC metropolitan area, most of whom are hockey fans to some degree) but that's splitting hairs; pretty much agree with all of this otherwise.

Edit:  Except Vermont.  Screw those losers.

[RichH]

After Cornell and BU, who is the most obvious NYC metro area alumni D-1 school?  Yale?  Colgate?  Princeton?  UConn?

Confining your thinking to alumni bases specifically misses the larger draw of "name" schools like Michigan. Plenty of folks who've never been to Ann Arbor are Michigan fans and you see Sioux jerseys all over the place. Name recognition beyond the college hockey world is important.  For me, beyond BU, it's:

Tier one:
Notre Dame
Michigan

Tier Two:
North Dakota
Boston College


Tier Three:
UConn (for now)
Penn State
Minnesota

Tier Four:
Wisconsin
Ohio State

Tier Five:
Michigan State
Vermont
Arizona State


Syracuse would be a natural opponent too if they ever fielded a men's team.

I might consider BC to be part of the top tier (large alumni base, many of whom are located in the NYC metropolitan area, most of whom are hockey fans to some degree) but that's splitting hairs; pretty much agree with all of this otherwise.

Edit:  Except Vermont.  Screw those losers.

I'll re-order the list in terms of (non-ECAC) fanbases most likely to travel to NYC for hockey:

Tier One:
North Dakota
Wisconsin
Michigan
Minnesota
BC

Tier Two:
UNH
Notre Dame
Maine
Michigan State

Tier Three:
UConn
Vermont
Penn State
Ohio State
RIT
Army (I mean, they could bus down as many Cadets as they want)