CU @ Yale 1/31/14

[RichH]

(the other non-goal was clearly not a goal - Yale shot it into the neck probably 2 full seconds after the net was off)

The fun part about being in the rink for that wasn't even when the entire Yale side of the crowd jumped up after the puck got shot in a clearly dislodged net, but when the rink started blaring the goal fog-horn effect. Multiple times.

And what is it with other ECAC rinks making sure they are able to give their DJ plenty of time to play Jock Jamz on the loudspeaker when you have two very capable bands in the building? Playing piped-in music gets nobody excited. I think once I saw the bulldog mascot dancing or something.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

(the other non-goal was clearly not a goal - Yale shot it into the neck probably 2 full seconds after the net was off)

The fun part about being in the rink for that wasn't even when the entire Yale side of the crowd jumped up after the puck got shot in a clearly dislodged net, but when the rink started blaring the goal fog-horn effect. Multiple times.

And what is it with other ECAC rinks making sure they are able to give their DJ plenty of time to play Jock Jamz on the loudspeaker when you have two very capable bands in the building? Playing piped-in music gets nobody excited. I think once I saw the bulldog mascot dancing or something.

I heard the reason for the loud music at the breaks (at least in pro rinks) was to cover up profanity shouted from the crowd when there wasn't enough crowd noise during breaks.  My guess is college rinks just adopted the approach because the pros do it.

[Jim Hyla]

The Yale write-up on the no goal:

Yale's best chance was a flurry around the Cornell net that resulted in a pileup of players and a few Elis raising their arms because they felt the puck was over the goal line. The officials, who did not signal a goal, reviewed the play and did not change anything after.  

Cornell's:

About a minute later, Yale managed to push the puck into the Cornell net, but the goal didn't count with the officials ruling the Bulldogs pushed Iles into goal along with the puck.

[Johnny 5]

I don't recall ever hearing an announcement of why any goal was waved off - the NFL is the only major sport I can think of where the ref makes an official announcement, and even that is often just, "upon further review, the call on the field is upheld/overturned."  

My take, from watching on ILDN, is that you must be correct about Iles blocking the view of the goal cam the way he was falling forward.  If the ref had just lost sight of the puck and blew it dead then there couldn't be a review (right?) - once he blows the play dead, it doesn't matter what happens on the continuation.  There was a Yale player draped on Iles, but if that were the reason, it would have resulted in a Yale penalty for goalie interference.  Since there was neither an early whistle nor a Yale penalty, I have to think that the refs thought that all the action was legit, they just didn't know if the puck actually crossed the line.  We dodged a bullet that the goal cam didn't show what those of us watching online knew - that puck definitely crossed the line...

(the other non-goal was clearly not a goal - Yale shot it into the neck probably 2 full seconds after the net was off)

It looked from here like the Yale played rode/pushed Andy (with the puck) over the line.
But, I might be somewhat biased? Somewhat.

Oh, and #17 scores the winner in OT with 17 seconds left on the clock!?
Karma Chameleon???

::rock::

[marty]

(the other non-goal was clearly not a goal - Yale shot it into the neck probably 2 full seconds after the net was off)

And what is it with other ECAC rinks making sure they are able to give their DJ plenty of time to play Jock Jamz on the loudspeaker when you have two very capable bands in the building? Playing piped-in music gets nobody excited. I think once I saw the bulldog mascot dancing or something.

Union has a particularly loud and obnoxious speaker system that is overused.  It had some validity when there was no Union band. Even then it reminded me of the horrible noise at NBA games.  To add auditory insult to timpanic injury Union upgraded their speaker system about a year ago.

Speaking of noise, did the jerks in the Clarkson (and St. Lawrence) band(s) bang on their drums during play at Lynah?

[flyersgolf]

I think the first Yale goal was called off because from the ref's perspective because the Yale player was in the crease before the puck was.  He immediately waived the face off outside the zone.  From the replay was that the correct call?  Probably not as the Yale player was pushed into the crease by Cornell.  But then the Yale player pushed Iles into the net.  That is 2 minutes goaltender interference.  Either way no goal.  

Another call where the whistle was swallowed was in overtime when John McCarron was mugged in front of the goal and there was no call.

We have commented a number of time on here about the officiating.  I believe that the level of play is pulling away from the ability of the officiating.  From what I have heard the regulations, fees, classroom time, required referee on ice clinics, and background checks required for even starting your officiating career discourage many from even applying. Not to mention the money these guys must put out up front to gain these accreditations before ever officiating a game. Sound familiar?  Officiating college hockey is not a career.  I believe the requirements to becoming a ref are the number one reason former players are not more interested. In my opinion many refs just love the game, why else drive through the treacherous Northeast winters to a cold rink to be berated, it's not for the money.  If they made it easier for former players to officiate the games would be better.  Now if we could just get rid of the refs who believe it is thier job to affect the outcome of the game.

[Trotsky]

I think the first Yale goal was called off because from the ref's perspective because the Yale player was in the crease before the puck was.

That was my initial impression watching live. The whole thing "felt" like a crease violation.

[Trotsky]

I believe that the level of play is pulling away from the ability of the officiating.  From what I have heard the regulations, fees, classroom time, required referee on ice clinics, and background checks required for even starting your officiating career discourage many from even applying. Not to mention the money these guys must put out up front to gain these accreditations before ever officiating a game. Sound familiar?  Officiating college hockey is not a career.  I believe the requirements to becoming a ref are the number one reason former players are not more interested. In my opinion many refs just love the game, why else drive through the treacherous Northeast winters to a cold rink to be berated, it's not for the money.  If they made it easier for former players to officiate the games would be better.

This is an excellent point.  

The other thing is that the ubiquity of replay has made it obvious when refs blow calls, and that means even when we are at the game and don't have replay we no longer give the ref any benefit of superior positioning.  25 years ago, if I saw what I thought was an obvious missed call I would be likely to think, "I'm 15 rows up while the ref is right on top of the play.  It's likely I am mistaken because of my perspective."  Now I think "the ref is in the scrum obscured by a half dozen 6 foot 3 bodies while I am up here above it all.  It's likely he is mistaken because of his perspective."  Now mix in the selective perception of being a fan and we are much more likely to find officiating faulty.

[Trotsky]

I heard the reason for the loud music at the breaks (at least in pro rinks) was to cover up profanity shouted from the crowd when there wasn't enough crowd noise during breaks.  My guess is college rinks just adopted the approach because the pros do it.

This and the private sector's relentless drive to turn the public into zombie consumer feed stock with Harrison Bergeron's attention span.  Ya know, sniff, "freedom."

If they did this at Lynah I'd stop going.  It's not atmosphere, it's assault.

[dbilmes]

I was sitting on Yale side of rink, which featured numerous empty seats and many frustrated Yale fans who couldn't understand why more penalties weren't begin called on Cornell.
Yale players were more upset about first goal waved off than second. They also tried slipping fresh skaters onto the ice every time they iced the puck .
The game was more wide open then Cornell usually prefers , which had me worried. But we passed the puck well most of the night and kept up with Yale's skating most if the game. The Yale season ticket holder I was sitting with was impressed with our play.
The last minute of regulation was scary, as it felt like a Yale powerplay. In OT, we somehow failed to score on a 3 on 1 break with about 45 seconds left. Ferlin's goal was incredible, since when the puck came to him at center ice, it looked like the Yale defender was stride for stride with him, but Ferlin somehow kicked in another gear.
As for disallowed goals, we've been screwed on enough of these calls over the years (think back to quick whistle at MSG a few years ago) that we're owed a few breaks.

[redice]

I heard the reason for the loud music at the breaks (at least in pro rinks) was to cover up profanity shouted from the crowd when there wasn't enough crowd noise during breaks.  My guess is college rinks just adopted the approach because the pros do it.

This and the private sector's relentless drive to turn the public into zombie consumer feed stock with Harrison Bergeron's attention span.  Ya know, sniff, "freedom."

If they did this at Lynah I'd stop going.  It's not atmosphere, it's assault.

Agreed!!    I wear earplugs to a lot of these other arenas with misplaced audio priorities.    I don't care to hear that crap & I certainly don't care to hear it that loudly.    That's where the earplugs come into play.

I just chalk that whole thing up to a younger generation that feels a need to inundate themselves with loud music that, due to deteriorated hearing, they will one day be unable to hear.     Irony at its best.....

[profudge]

Agree! -  that loud noise and obnoxious music over  'numbingly' loud speakers is why I refuse to attend Binghamton Senators games in general even though they are fun to watch much of the time.

[redice]

Agree! -  that loud noise and obnoxious music over  'numbingly' loud speakers is why I refuse to attend Binghamton Senators games in general even though they are fun to watch much of the time.

Yep, that's one of the places I go with earplugs in place.   You ought to try em.   It makes an intolerable noise bearable.   I think we can agree, the crap coming out of those speakers is just noise.    And, don't get me started on that idiot PA announcer.   I usually ask my wife:   "I wonder if he talks that way at home.   Can't you just hear him screaming at the dinner table:  "PASS THE MASHED POTATOES!!"".

Thank God for Art Mintz!!! May he live & announce on into infinity!!

[Trotsky]

I just chalk that whole thing up to a younger generation that feels a need to inundate themselves with loud music that

It's not The Kids Today.  It's the vampire squid of capitalism, "wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money."

The Kids Today listen to tepid, innocuous muzak so devoid of energy it wouldn't offend a little old lady from Pasadena.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Agree! -  that loud noise and obnoxious music over  'numbingly' loud speakers is why I refuse to attend Binghamton Senators games in general even though they are fun to watch much of the time.

Yep, that's one of the places I go with earplugs in place.   You ought to try em.   It makes an intolerable noise bearable.   I think we can agree, the crap coming out of those speakers is just noise.    And, don't get me started on that idiot PA announcer.   I usually ask my wife:   "I wonder if he talks that way at home.   Can't you just hear him screaming at the dinner table:  "PASS THE MASHED POTATOES!!"".

Hmm.  I was looking forward to when the Phantoms move to Allentown next year.  Maybe not so much now.