Harvard-Yale @ MSG

[TimV]

Nice one BeeeeJ!::rock::

That brings the total to ten.

[Beeeej]

Nice one BeeeeJ!::rock::

That brings the total to ten.

Plus the Y in York, too, now that I think about it.

[billhoward]

A long NY Times story Saturday Harvard-Yale Rivalry Echoes Through the Garden does not mention it was the Cornell-BU Red Hot Hockey series that got others like H-Y to thinking about college hockey at MSG. The last NYC meeting of Harvard and Yale was 12/21/1970, 43 years ago. It's one thing to get H-Y students, alumni and the Groupon-curious to help draw 15,000 for a once-in-a-lifetime meeting and another for Cornell and BU (or Michigan) to fill or nearly fill MSG (18,000 for hockey) year after year. Even with Cornell's ability to draw, it's not clear that Cornell can sustain the interest for a game every year.

Much as we dislike Harvard and Yale, the more college hockey played in NYC, the greater the chances that sooner or later we'll have a Frozen Four in New York, Brooklyn or Newark.

[TimV]

I'm pretty sure I counted that one before I missed January.  By the way, Beeeej- I went to Jack Doyle's pub at 240 W.35th to watch the early NFL game before Y-H hockey and it was fabulous.  Highly recommend it for any NYC viewing parties.

[Trotsky]

Much as we dislike Harvard and Yale, the more college hockey played in NYC, the greater the chances that sooner or later we'll have a Frozen Four in New York, Brooklyn or Newark.

Revive the Columbia program.  We last played them in NYC at the 181st Street Ice Palace in 1921.

[arugula]

The new Kingsbridge project in the Bronx (Messier's baby)  will bring college hockey to NYC on a smaller scale.  The facility will include I believe nine rinks including one which will seat 4-5 thousand.  Obviously, not right for Cornell, but a good spot for a revived Columbia club program or some of the smaller college programs near the city.  The more hockey in NYC the better.

Also, if you will all indulge me for a second.  I have not posted much over the years (maybe 4-5 times) but follow the chats avidly.  I'm from the Nieuwendyk era (class of 87) and was quite a fan in my day, including multiple trips to Hahvahd, travel to the 86 ECAC's, a couple of trips to the North Country, and the epic journey to Denver for the 86 NCAAs.  The biggest thrill for me was that my roommate Frans and I were either first or second in line for tickets our senior year and spend 2-3 nights camped out.  The biggest deal for us in 86-87, as it was a bad year for the team, was that we created Section D Tonite, a subbversive "program" filled with the rosters, random stats, and personal attacks on whomever pissed us off that day.  After a few games, we had to sneak them in, as security was looking for them, but we always managed to get them in and get them handed out.  I understand that it continued for a few years after graduation.  

Anyways, I write all that as a preliminary to noting that my four year roommate, travel partner and A+ Lynah Faithful, Frans Pigeaud '87, died late last week outside of Boston in an auto accident.  He leaves a wife and three kids, 13, 10, and 6.  Good father, good husband, good hockey guy.  I won't enjoy the games quite as much for a while.  Thanks all.

[Beeeej]

Very sorry to hear about your friend's untimely passing. I thought you might enjoy knowing that not only did "Section D Tonight" continue after you graduated, but it's still remembered. You may not have seen these posts when I made them a few years ago, but:

http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,154913,154913#msg-154913
http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,154913,154914#msg-154914

[nyc94]

Harvard really sucks.

My main concern is that Harvard's embarrassment will lead to a strong week of practice and an inspired performance on Friday.

I know we're not supposed to subscribe to the transitive property in sports but Harvard (5-8-3) managed to beat BU (7-11-2) 7-4.  Dartmouth (3-12-2) beat BU 4-2 and Maine (11-7-2) beat BU 7-3.  My main concern is our ability to score.

I wouldn't use the BU game as a specific example of a game where we couldn't score. The team didn't lack for amazing scoring opportunities against BU, but the bounces were weird. We could have won that game by 3 goals with almost nothing changing.

Fair enough. The point I really wanted to make is that I don't think Harvard is that bad. They aren't great either but they did just tie Quinnipiac and lost to them by one back in November. They tied Yale in December and beat New Hampshire 6-3 on the road as well.  I don't think they have been shut out.  This Yale game and their game against BC are their worst losses. Well, losing to Dartmouth is pretty bad, too.

[arugula]

Thanks for that Beej.  I didn't know they swapped sides.  Looking at those copies, I feel like I need to dig out our copies.  We were a bit more ribald, shall we say, as the idea was actually inspired by a rag called Blue Seats Tonite from the old Blue Seats at MSG (also a Ranger season ticket holder).  

One of the coolest stories from that year was that wrote actual letters to all the SIDs at ECAC schools and explained that we were an "independent" college hockey magazine and requested press credentials.  The boobs at Harvard actually sent them and we sat in the press box (being told to keep it down by Harvard radio) for another of the long string of defeats to Harvard during that period.  after the game, we went down to "interview' coach Reycroft much to the annoyance of the Sun correspondent who really didn't know the difference between a blueline and a bluejay and to Reycroft who wasn't used to being asked actual questions (like whether he actually hated the Referee that night, Pierre Belanger, with whom he seemed to have a running feud.)  Oh man, don't get me started.

[RichH]

I know we're not supposed to subscribe to the transitive property in sports but Harvard (5-8-3) managed to beat BU (7-11-2) 7-4.  Dartmouth (3-12-2) beat BU 4-2 and Maine (11-7-2) beat BU 7-3.

This is the thing that digs at me most so far about this season.  It is so frustrating to see your team outplay yet drop a "circled on the calendar" game to a team that is turns around and careens towards a self-destructive terrible season, and also read things like this:

It's been approximately 40 days since the fourth Red Hot Hockey game at Madison Square Garden, a biannual contest featuring Boston University and Cornell.

To Terriers head coach David Quinn and his 7-10-2 team, however, it was the last time Boston played with a desire to win.

"We haven't played well since the Cornell game," Quinn said Wednesday night following the team's 4-2 loss to Dartmouth. "I don't know why. It's my responsibility, I'll figure it out. It's gonna be addressed. We have way too many guys who are comfortable."

On the flip-side, our sweep vs. UNO looked terrific after the Mavs went on to sweep Denver and Miami, but now they're winless in their last six.

As for Harvard, I had them finishing way higher than their pre-season poll rank. They got back a handful of pieces who were forced to leave the team in the wake of the cheating scandal (what was the point of cheating anyway? To get A's??) They aren't Union or QU, but they aren't the pushovers people think.

[RichH]

I watched it on TV, all the while wondering why that game made it to my TV when Red Hot Hockey did not.

What network was it on? Just curious, since I unplugged from college hockey this weekend following the Friday cancellation.

[Josh '99]

Much as we dislike Harvard and Yale, the more college hockey played in NYC, the greater the chances that sooner or later we'll have a Frozen Four in New York, Brooklyn or Newark.

Revive the Columbia program.  We last played them in NYC at the 181st Street Ice Palace in 1921.

The redeveloped Kingsbridge Armory will include a 5,000 seat arena about a mile from the Columbia athletic complex.

Edit to add:  Oops, didn't see that this was already mentioned in a separate thread.

[Beeeej]

Thanks for that Beej.  I didn't know they swapped sides.  Looking at those copies, I feel like I need to dig out our copies.  We were a bit more ribald, shall we say, as the idea was actually inspired by a rag called Blue Seats Tonite from the old Blue Seats at MSG (also a Ranger season ticket holder).  

One of the coolest stories from that year was that wrote actual letters to all the SIDs at ECAC schools and explained that we were an "independent" college hockey magazine and requested press credentials.  The boobs at Harvard actually sent them and we sat in the press box (being told to keep it down by Harvard radio) for another of the long string of defeats to Harvard during that period.  after the game, we went down to "interview' coach Reycroft much to the annoyance of the Sun correspondent who really didn't know the difference between a blueline and a bluejay and to Reycroft who wasn't used to being asked actual questions (like whether he actually hated the Referee that night, Pierre Belanger, with whom he seemed to have a running feud.)  Oh man, don't get me started.

Please do get started! There are a lot of us here who would love to read more of your stories. Pierre continued to be a thorn in our side for many years after that, so it tickles me to know that you asked Reycroft that question.

[marty]

The boobs at Harvard actually sent them and we sat in the press box (being told to keep it down by Harvard radio) for another of the long string of defeats to Harvard during that period.  after the game, we went down to "interview' coach Reycroft much to the annoyance of the Sun correspondent who really didn't know the difference between a blueline and a bluejay and to Reycroft who wasn't used to being asked actual questions (like whether he actually hated the Referee that night, Pierre Belanger, with whom he seemed to have a running feud.)  Oh man, don't get me started.

Thank you, having sat in the press area during one of the NCAA regionals held in Albany (without credentials), I love this story.

I am sorry to hear of the passing of your friend.  May peace be with you.

[redice]

I watched it on TV, all the while wondering why that game made it to my TV when Red Hot Hockey did not.

What network was it on? Just curious, since I unplugged from college hockey this weekend following the Friday cancellation.

NBCSN    Ch. 220 on DirecTV