Ben DeLuca fired

[Johnny 5]

So, Pietramala and Tambroni are in DeLuca's corner.
What is really going on here?

::cuss::

[ugarte]

So, Pietramala and Tambroni are in DeLuca's corner.
What is really going on here?

::cuss::

Guys with no stakes in the fight are supporting their friend.

[CU77]

Another signer of the letter of support for DeLuca, as published at Inside Lacrosse, is Professor Rosemary Avery, Chair of the Department of Policy Analysis and Management, and faculty advisor to the men's lacrosse team. Was she consulted before DeLuca was fired? If not, why not?

[billhoward]

Another signer of the letter of support for DeLuca, as published at Inside Lacrosse, is Professor Rosemary Avery, Chair of the Department of Policy Analysis and Management, and faculty advisor to the men's lacrosse team. Was she consulted before DeLuca was fired? If not, why not?

Personnel matters are something for a manager and the manager's supervisor to discuss and resolve, bringing in HR and legal. A faculty advisor is perhaps due some kind of broad explanation, perhaps not. If being consulted means asking whether it's okay to dismiss the coach, that's more likely inappropriate. Rules of privacy surrounding a personnel action aren't discarded because one of New York's 10 biggest employers is a university. ILR grads chime in here.

Enough of the story will surface over time but it can't come from Cornell officially.

[Cornell95]

Rather than start a new thread, just figured I would add a short bit of positive press about the lax program here

http://www.majorleaguelacrosse.com/news/8608/rob-pannells-thanksgiving-the-turkey-trot

[RatushnyFan]

Matt Cooney '97 signed the open letter.  How was he connected to the lax program?  Friends with some players or did he play lax as well?

[Robb]

DeLuca graduated in '98, so Cooney was probably friends with him directly (and maybe played some lax as well).

[ugarte]

Another signer of the letter of support for DeLuca, as published at Inside Lacrosse, is Professor Rosemary Avery, Chair of the Department of Policy Analysis and Management, and faculty advisor to the men's lacrosse team. Was she consulted before DeLuca was fired? If not, why not?

Isn't faculty advisor a player liaison? Why would Professor Avery be consulted about personnel decisions in that role? I'd expect that she'd be given the news about a firing a little early, perhaps, to prepare for interactions with the students who might, understandably, be upset, but it is not a position expected to be part of the decision to fire a coach in the middle of his contract.

[Ken711]

Fallout in terms of recruiting has already started.  Cornell loses top recruit to UVA.

http://www.laxlessons.com/2013/11/29/logan-greco/

[Redscore]

Got the call from UVA.  What a dirty business.  but we all knew that already.

[scoop85]

Got the call from UVA.  What a dirty business.  but we all knew that already.

As if Starsia doesn't get enough blue chippers ::cuss::

[ugarte]

Got the call from UVA.  What a dirty business.  but we all knew that already.

The idea that this is dirty is based on a pretty warped premise: that a change in coach should not change the recruit's perspective.The restrictions in football and basketball are the abominations.  Take off the red-colored glasses. Sometimes the naivete about this sort of thing on this forum is mind-boggling.

What possible reason can you give for Virginia holding off on making the call? He isn't enrolled, the coach he chose to play at Cornell for is gone, UVA is an excellent school with an elite lax program ...

[CU77]

Another signer of the letter of support for DeLuca, as published at Inside Lacrosse, is Professor Rosemary Avery, Chair of the Department of Policy Analysis and Management, and faculty advisor to the men's lacrosse team. Was she consulted before DeLuca was fired? If not, why not?

Isn't faculty advisor a player liaison? Why would Professor Avery be consulted about personnel decisions in that role? I'd expect that she'd be given the news about a firing a little early, perhaps, to prepare for interactions with the students who might, understandably, be upset, but it is not a position expected to be part of the decision to fire a coach in the middle of his contract.

Given the publicly known facts, the only possible conclusion is that DeLuca's firing was due to the "hazing" incident and at least one other (publicly unreported) off-field incident. I would think that the team's faculty advisor would be in a position to judge whether the coach was handling these in an appropriate manner or not. To me, the fact that the team's faculty advisor publicly signed a letter that (in my view) rebukes the administration for firing the coach is (to me) a notable sign that the administration's action was unwarranted.

And what I know for sure is this: for the first time in 40 years, I feel embarrassed to be a Cornellian.

[Rosey]

And what I know for sure is this: for the first time in 40 years, I feel embarrassed to be a Cornellian.

Really? Your standards are way too low. ;-)

[Redscore]

Got the call from UVA.  What a dirty business.  but we all knew that already.

The idea that this is dirty is based on a pretty warped premise: that a change in coach should not change the recruit's perspective.The restrictions in football and basketball are the abominations.  Take off the red-colored glasses. Sometimes the naivete about this sort of thing on this forum is mind-boggling.

What possible reason can you give for Virginia holding off on making the call? He isn't enrolled, the coach he chose to play at Cornell for is gone, UVA is an excellent school with an elite lax program ...

Sometimes the jerks on this forum are mind-boggling.  Do you have to make everything so personal?
I think a player should be absolutely free to do what ever he or she wants to do all the way until they enroll. So its not a question of forming an opinion based on a warped premise.  I have no problem with him looking around again and choosing Virginia or any other school because Cornell is now different than what it was when he enrolled, or even if he just changed his mind for whatever reason.
Despite what you say, I do have problem with a school calling after they know that the player has committed.  Let the recruit decide if he or she wants to look around but I have no rose colored glasses and I know that in any competitive situation the world works differently.  I just don't have to like it and I would hope my school wouldn't do it, but I'm sure they all do.  That's all.  I also would hope to be able to post something like that without being called a naive fool.