Hopkins looking for a conference, now found.

[flyersgolf]

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2013/05/31/sources-johns-hopkins-announce-joining-big-ten-monday

Johns Hopkins will announce on Monday its intent to join the Big Ten in men's and women's lacrosse. (Inside Lacrosse Photo by Mark LeRoux)
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Multiple sources have told Inside Lacrosse that Johns Hopkins will on Monday announce its intentions to join the Big Ten as an affiliate member in men's and women's lacrosse. By extension, the announcement keys the formation of Big Ten men's and women's lacrosse as league-sponsored sports for the first time.

 
The announcement will bring to fruition a several-month process to find a conference home for JHU's men's lacrosse program, which has played as an independent for 130 years. The Big Ten emerged as a target for the Blue Jays after Maryland and Rutgers announced their departure from the ACC and Big East, respectively, and intentions to join the Big Ten. That would make five men's lacrosse programs along with Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan, one short of the required six for an automatic qualifier to the NCAA Tournament.

While many specifics of the membership remain unclear, a source believed that the women's team would join a newly formed Big Ten in 2014 (which would include Penn State, Ohio State, Northwestern and Michigan, who will be playing their first varsity season) and the men's team will join in 2015, which would coincide with Maryland and Rutgers' arrival.

The news comes less than a week after Denver shook up the men's lacrosse conference landscape by announcing its move from the ECAC to the Big East, a story Inside Lacrosse broke first on Wednesday.

The Blue Jays, who missed the NCAA Tournament for the first time since 1971 this season, announced on May 17 that they'd be seeking conference affiliation. Conversely, Big Ten Lacrosse has been on the minds of at least Ohio State's and Penn State's coaches since the announcement that Michigan was adding varsity lacrosse.

In a press conference call after the May 17 announcement, Johns Hopkins coach Dave Pietramala said he'd expect his team wouldn't be able to begin conference play before the 2015 season, if they were to pursue that course of action.

The move is another blow to the ECAC, who, in addition to losing Denver last week, loses Loyola to the Patriot League starting in 2014, a decision that was announced just months after the Greyhounds won the NCAA championship last summer. Barring other moves that are likely to come, the only remaining ECAC teams for 2016 would be Fairfield, Bellarmine, Air Force and Hobart.

[Trotsky]

"Death to the NCAA" is starting to look like "Death to the ECAC."

[ursusminor]

Any truth to this?

I heard through the grapevine that CORNELL was or is talking to the B1G about joining for select sports like hockey, lacrosse etc.

[Jim Hyla]

Any truth to this?

I heard through the grapevine that CORNELL was or is talking to the B1G about joining for select sports like hockey, lacrosse etc.

There probably is truth that he heard it through the grapevine. The only question is whether it had already been made into wine.

[Scersk '97]

Any truth to this?

I heard through the grapevine that CORNELL was or is talking to the B1G about joining for select sports like hockey, lacrosse etc.

There probably is truth that he heard it through the grapevine. The only question is whether it had already been made into wine.

Not to add the ring of truth to what, in its current form, is just a ridiculous rumor, but I could see the entire league, rather than just Cornell, choosing to join together with the B1G in a select sport or two.

In the case of hockey, the Ivies join together with 6 other hockey-playing schools to form a league.  I'm not a fan at all of breaking up the ECACHL, but I could see someone else wondering, "Why not a different six?"  And with Hop joining up in lacrosse, I'd take that schedule, with Syracuse and Hobart added in, year-in, year-out.  Plus, we can get rid of the silly Ivy tournament and replace it with something interesting.

Anyway, wouldn't it be fun to beat up on the Wolverines—annually—in two sports?

Using this (last) year's KRACH (SiouxSports keeps counting) and Z-Ratings (Carberry!):

Code Select Expand


B1G/Ivy Hockey             Lacrosse
---------------------------------------------------------
1   (2)  Minnesota         1   (4)  Cornell
2   (4)  Yale              2   (6)  Ohio State
3   (14) Wisconsin         3   (8)  Maryland
4   (20) Brown             4   (9)  Yale
5   (21) Dartmouth         5   (11) Penn State
6   (22) Cornell           6   (12) Pennsylvania
7   (26) Ohio State        7   (13) Princeton
8   (29) Michigan          8   (16) Johns Hopkins
9   (40) Princeton         9   (25) Brown
10  (43) Michigan State    10  (27) Harvard
11  (45) Harvard           11  (46) Dartmouth
12  (50) Penn State        12  (58) Rutgers
                           13  (59) Michigan


[Weder]

Any truth to this?

I heard through the grapevine that CORNELL was or is talking to the B1G about joining for select sports like hockey, lacrosse etc.

There probably is truth that he heard it through the grapevine. The only question is whether it had already been made into wine.

Not to add the ring of truth to what, in its current form, is just a ridiculous rumor, but I could see the entire league, rather than just Cornell, choosing to join together with the B1G in a select sport or two.

In the case of hockey, the Ivies join together with 6 other hockey-playing schools to form a league.  I'm not a fan at all of breaking up the ECACHL, but I could see someone else wondering, "Why not a different six?"  And with Hop joining up in lacrosse, I'd take that schedule, with Syracuse and Hobart added in, year-in, year-out.  Plus, we can get rid of the silly Ivy tournament and replace it with something interesting.

Anyway, wouldn't it be fun to beat up on the Wolverines—annually—in two sports?

Using this (last) year's KRACH (SiouxSports keeps counting) and Z-Ratings (Carberry!):

Code Select Expand


B1G/Ivy Hockey             Lacrosse
---------------------------------------------------------
1   (2)  Minnesota         1   (4)  Cornell
2   (4)  Yale              2   (6)  Ohio State
3   (14) Wisconsin         3   (8)  Maryland
4   (20) Brown             4   (9)  Yale
5   (21) Dartmouth         5   (11) Penn State
6   (22) Cornell           6   (12) Pennsylvania
7   (26) Ohio State        7   (13) Princeton
8   (29) Michigan          8   (16) Johns Hopkins
9   (40) Princeton         9   (25) Brown
10  (43) Michigan State    10  (27) Harvard
11  (45) Harvard           11  (46) Dartmouth
12  (50) Penn State        12  (58) Rutgers
                           13  (59) Michigan


Pretty sure this would also require the Ivy League to waive a rule about bus travel only for conference games.

[KeithK]

I think the way the Ivies "joined" the ECAC was a little different from what you suggest.  When the ECAC was formed in the 60s it was just a loose organization of eastern hockey schools designed to help select representatives to the tournament.  There was no fixed schedule.  I think it's much less likely for the Ivies to join up with other schools these days given the way conferences operate now.  Particularly joining up with schools that have a very different philosophy about sports.

[Trotsky]

Particularly joining up with schools that have a very different philosophy about sports.

This is really all that matters.  If there were athletically competitive schools with the Ivies' commitment to education, we could make it work.  But the problem is there are two chasms separating the Ivies from the rest of college athletics.  

On one side, in D-1 the distance in sincere commitment to academic standards for student-athletes between the Ivies and the Big Ten is greater than the difference between the Big Ten and the SEC.  Even in schools where academics is respected for the regular student body, like Notre Dame, Duke, or Stanford, it's an open joke when it comes to athletics.

On the other side, the distance in athletics between the Ivies and other conferences with competent academics (e.g., the NESCAC) is just as enormous.

We're stranded.

[billhoward]

Particularly joining up with schools that have a very different philosophy about sports.

This is really all that matters.  If there were athletically competitive schools with the Ivies' commitment to education, we could make it work.  But the problem is there are two chasms separating the Ivies from the rest of college athletics.  

On one side, in D-1 the distance in sincere commitment to academic standards for student-athletes between the Ivies and the Big Ten is greater than the difference between the Big Ten and the SEC.  Even in schools where academics is respected for the regular student body, like Notre Dame, Duke, or Stanford, it's an open joke when it comes to athletics.

On the other side, the distance in athletics between the Ivies and other conferences with competent academics (e.g., the NESCAC) is just as enormous.

We're stranded.

Nice post. You covered a lot in a few sentences. Thanks.

[billhoward]

Assuming it came to pass that for hockey, lacrosse, and what else (wrestling ?) the Ivy top schools joined with another league. The league's perennial non-performers might decide to chuck a sport here and there. The Ivy League for sports would implode.

How many other sports exist where a school other than Cornell is dominant every year: fencing (I had to check that this was an NCAA sport) ... rowing (not NCAA) ... polo (horse polo not NCAA) ... soccer? ... squash (not NCAA)?  The rest of the Ivy League sees this as a Cornell-only problem.

[Trotsky]

fencing (I had to check that this was an NCAA sport)

I hope Rob doesn't know where you live...

[Weder]

Assuming it came to pass that for hockey, lacrosse, and what else (wrestling ?) the Ivy top schools joined with another league. The league's perennial non-performers might decide to chuck a sport here and there. The Ivy League for sports would implode.

How many other sports exist where a school other than Cornell is dominant every year: fencing (I had to check that this was an NCAA sport) ... rowing (not NCAA) ... polo (horse polo not NCAA) ... soccer? ... squash (not NCAA)?  The rest of the Ivy League sees this as a Cornell-only problem.

When all NCAA sports are taken into consideration, the Ivy League is not that far from the BCS conferences. (Though most of this is probably because the Ivy League offers the most sports.) Through May 30, six Ivies are in the top 75 nationally. Those numbers could improve for Cornell after the track and field meet this weekend.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/may30DIconf.pdf

[billhoward]

fencing (I had to check that this was an NCAA sport)

I hope Rob doesn't know where you live...

I also have to stop and think, Did Cornell really kill off men's gymnastics? I am resigned to Lower Alumni Field now having an immovable building atop it. That could have been our (Princeton) Class of '52 gem of a field.

[Jim Hyla]

Assuming it came to pass that for hockey, lacrosse, and what else (wrestling ?) the Ivy top schools joined with another league. The league's perennial non-performers might decide to chuck a sport here and there. The Ivy League for sports would implode.

How many other sports exist where a school other than Cornell is dominant every year: fencing (I had to check that this was an NCAA sport) ... rowing (not NCAA) ... polo (horse polo not NCAA) ... soccer? ... squash (not NCAA)?  The rest of the Ivy League sees this as a Cornell-only problem.

When all NCAA sports are taken into consideration, the Ivy League is not that far from the BCS conferences. (Though most of this is probably because the Ivy League offers the most sports.) Through May 30, six Ivies are in the top 75 nationally. Those numbers could improve for Cornell after the track and field meet this weekend.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/may30DIconf.pdf

Except that the Ivy schools would basically be the doormats for the Big Ten.

I'm beginning to think that everyone took the grapevines after the harvest. This whole idea is ridiculous.

[KeithK]

fencing (I had to check that this was an NCAA sport)

I hope Rob doesn't know where you live...

Who is "Rob"?