What are your expectations for success in 13-14

[billhoward]

Rename this thread, What are your expectations for keeping a college ice hockey forum alive through Slope Day?

[BearLover]

Before this season, the metric I used to determine whether a season was successful was whether Cornell made the tournament.  Not anymore.  After mother******* Yale won the national championship, I am not going to be happy unless Cornell wins it itself.  So basically I am never going to be happy.

This makes me smile.  

:-)

Oh?  And why is that?  You're happy with the majority of Cornell fans being miserable?  Or is Yale your favorite hockey team?


EDIT: does this guy ever contribute anything valuable to any discussion?

Not because the majority of fans is miserable - I am only smiling at one miserable fan. Your post(s) remind me of discussions from the era of '72. (I graduated in '74.)

When Yale won it was mixed.  I was happy for them and sick for us.  Not as sick as in '73 and '03 but still truly sad.

So you aren't in favor of rooting against one of your team's biggest rivals, but you're perfectly fine rooting for a fellow Cornell fan's misery.

Depends on the fan.

Considering I speak for just about every sports fan I have ever met, I don't think it really depends on the fan.  

Which should bring you some measure of joy.

No?  How badly can you possibly miss the point?  Am I one of my favorite sports team's biggest rivals?

[Jim Hyla]

Before this season, the metric I used to determine whether a season was successful was whether Cornell made the tournament.  Not anymore.  After mother******* Yale won the national championship, I am not going to be happy unless Cornell wins it itself.  So basically I am never going to be happy.

This makes me smile.  

:-)

Oh?  And why is that?  You're happy with the majority of Cornell fans being miserable?  Or is Yale your favorite hockey team?


EDIT: does this guy ever contribute anything valuable to any discussion?

Not because the majority of fans is miserable - I am only smiling at one miserable fan. Your post(s) remind me of discussions from the era of '72. (I graduated in '74.)

When Yale won it was mixed.  I was happy for them and sick for us.  Not as sick as in '73 and '03 but still truly sad.

So you aren't in favor of rooting against one of your team's biggest rivals, but you're perfectly fine rooting for a fellow Cornell fan's misery.

Depends on the fan.

Considering I speak for just about every sports fan I have ever met, I don't think it really depends on the fan.  

Which should bring you some measure of joy.

No?  How badly can you possibly miss the point?  Am I one of my favorite sports team's biggest rivals?

This whole thread/discussion has become ridiculous. For example, and I'm only highlighting yours because it's the most recent, you haven't met nearly all CU fans, as you should be able to see from the posts, so to say this is silly. I think everyone should just agree to quit::deadhorse:: and ::bolt::.

[Josh '99]

Before this season, the metric I used to determine whether a season was successful was whether Cornell made the tournament.  Not anymore.  After mother******* Yale won the national championship, I am not going to be happy unless Cornell wins it itself.  So basically I am never going to be happy.

This makes me smile.  

:-)

Oh?  And why is that?  You're happy with the majority of Cornell fans being miserable?  Or is Yale your favorite hockey team?


EDIT: does this guy ever contribute anything valuable to any discussion?

Not because the majority of fans is miserable - I am only smiling at one miserable fan. Your post(s) remind me of discussions from the era of '72. (I graduated in '74.)

When Yale won it was mixed.  I was happy for them and sick for us.  Not as sick as in '73 and '03 but still truly sad.

So you aren't in favor of rooting against one of your team's biggest rivals, but you're perfectly fine rooting for a fellow Cornell fan's misery.

Depends on the fan.

Considering I speak for just about every sports fan I have ever met, I don't think it really depends on the fan.  

Which should bring you some measure of joy.

No?  How badly can you possibly miss the point?  Am I one of my favorite sports team's biggest rivals?

Yale isn't really one of Cornell's biggest rivals.  A thorn in our side of late, sure, but Dartmouth weren't really one of our biggest rivals when they beat us what seemed like a zillion times in a row in the early aughts, and Yale aren't now either.  Harvard and Clarkson are still our biggest rivals, and there are others I'd put above them based on strength on a consistent and extended basis.

[ugarte]

Before this season, the metric I used to determine whether a season was successful was whether Cornell made the tournament.  Not anymore.  After mother******* Yale won the national championship, I am not going to be happy unless Cornell wins it itself.  So basically I am never going to be happy.

This makes me smile.  

:-)

Oh?  And why is that?  You're happy with the majority of Cornell fans being miserable?  Or is Yale your favorite hockey team?


EDIT: does this guy ever contribute anything valuable to any discussion?

Not because the majority of fans is miserable - I am only smiling at one miserable fan. Your post(s) remind me of discussions from the era of '72. (I graduated in '74.)

When Yale won it was mixed.  I was happy for them and sick for us.  Not as sick as in '73 and '03 but still truly sad.

So you aren't in favor of rooting against one of your team's biggest rivals, but you're perfectly fine rooting for a fellow Cornell fan's misery.

Depends on the fan.

Considering I speak for just about every sports fan I have ever met, I don't think it really depends on the fan.  

Which should bring you some measure of joy.

No?  How badly can you possibly miss the point?  Am I one of my favorite sports team's biggest rivals?

Well, this is definitely the repetition of a simple point that has finally convinced me! 19th time's the charm, I guess.

[BearLover]

Before this season, the metric I used to determine whether a season was successful was whether Cornell made the tournament.  Not anymore.  After mother******* Yale won the national championship, I am not going to be happy unless Cornell wins it itself.  So basically I am never going to be happy.

This makes me smile.  

:-)

Oh?  And why is that?  You're happy with the majority of Cornell fans being miserable?  Or is Yale your favorite hockey team?


EDIT: does this guy ever contribute anything valuable to any discussion?

Not because the majority of fans is miserable - I am only smiling at one miserable fan. Your post(s) remind me of discussions from the era of '72. (I graduated in '74.)

When Yale won it was mixed.  I was happy for them and sick for us.  Not as sick as in '73 and '03 but still truly sad.

So you aren't in favor of rooting against one of your team's biggest rivals, but you're perfectly fine rooting for a fellow Cornell fan's misery.

Depends on the fan.

Considering I speak for just about every sports fan I have ever met, I don't think it really depends on the fan.  

Which should bring you some measure of joy.

No?  How badly can you possibly miss the point?  Am I one of my favorite sports team's biggest rivals?

Well, this is definitely the repetition of a simple point that has finally convinced me! 19th time's the charm, I guess.

I repeat it because I think it's as close to fact as you are going to find in sports fandom.  You're telling me you think the majority of sports fans root for their team's rivals once their team is eliminated?  Seriously??  I mean, it's ludicrous to think so.  I don't care what the 20 people replying on this forum think; the far majority of sports fans hate their team's rivals.  Do Boston fans root for the Yankees when the Red Sox are out?  Do UNC fans show up to the final four when Duke is there wearing ACC shirts and cheering on the Blue Devils?

[Dafatone]

Before this season, the metric I used to determine whether a season was successful was whether Cornell made the tournament.  Not anymore.  After mother******* Yale won the national championship, I am not going to be happy unless Cornell wins it itself.  So basically I am never going to be happy.

This makes me smile.  

:-)

Oh?  And why is that?  You're happy with the majority of Cornell fans being miserable?  Or is Yale your favorite hockey team?


EDIT: does this guy ever contribute anything valuable to any discussion?

Not because the majority of fans is miserable - I am only smiling at one miserable fan. Your post(s) remind me of discussions from the era of '72. (I graduated in '74.)

When Yale won it was mixed.  I was happy for them and sick for us.  Not as sick as in '73 and '03 but still truly sad.

So you aren't in favor of rooting against one of your team's biggest rivals, but you're perfectly fine rooting for a fellow Cornell fan's misery.

Depends on the fan.

Considering I speak for just about every sports fan I have ever met, I don't think it really depends on the fan.  

Which should bring you some measure of joy.

No?  How badly can you possibly miss the point?  Am I one of my favorite sports team's biggest rivals?

Well, this is definitely the repetition of a simple point that has finally convinced me! 19th time's the charm, I guess.

I repeat it because I think it's as close to fact as you are going to find in sports fandom.  You're telling me you think the majority of sports fans root for their team's rivals once their team is eliminated?  Seriously??  I mean, it's ludicrous to think so.  I don't care what the 20 people replying on this forum think; the far majority of sports fans hate their team's rivals.  Do Boston fans root for the Yankees when the Red Sox are out?  Do UNC fans show up to the final four when Duke is there wearing ACC shirts and cheering on the Blue Devils?

UNC fans probably would root for some other ACC team over, say, a Big 12 team, if that ACC team isn't Duke.  Harvard wasn't in the championship.  Yale is not our Duke.

[Chris '03]

Before this season, the metric I used to determine whether a season was successful was whether Cornell made the tournament.  Not anymore.  After mother******* Yale won the national championship, I am not going to be happy unless Cornell wins it itself.  So basically I am never going to be happy.

This makes me smile.  

:-)

Oh?  And why is that?  You're happy with the majority of Cornell fans being miserable?  Or is Yale your favorite hockey team?


EDIT: does this guy ever contribute anything valuable to any discussion?

Not because the majority of fans is miserable - I am only smiling at one miserable fan. Your post(s) remind me of discussions from the era of '72. (I graduated in '74.)

When Yale won it was mixed.  I was happy for them and sick for us.  Not as sick as in '73 and '03 but still truly sad.

So you aren't in favor of rooting against one of your team's biggest rivals, but you're perfectly fine rooting for a fellow Cornell fan's misery.

Depends on the fan.

Considering I speak for just about every sports fan I have ever met, I don't think it really depends on the fan.  

Which should bring you some measure of joy.

No?  How badly can you possibly miss the point?  Am I one of my favorite sports team's biggest rivals?

Well, this is definitely the repetition of a simple point that has finally convinced me! 19th time's the charm, I guess.

I repeat it because I think it's as close to fact as you are going to find in sports fandom.  You're telling me you think the majority of sports fans root for their team's rivals once their team is eliminated?  Seriously??  I mean, it's ludicrous to think so.  I don't care what the 20 people replying on this forum think; the far majority of sports fans hate their team's rivals.  Do Boston fans root for the Yankees when the Red Sox are out?  Do UNC fans show up to the final four when Duke is there wearing ACC shirts and cheering on the Blue Devils?

Let's try a new angle.  What are your favorite pro sports teams?

[BearLover]

Before this season, the metric I used to determine whether a season was successful was whether Cornell made the tournament.  Not anymore.  After mother******* Yale won the national championship, I am not going to be happy unless Cornell wins it itself.  So basically I am never going to be happy.

This makes me smile.  

:-)

Oh?  And why is that?  You're happy with the majority of Cornell fans being miserable?  Or is Yale your favorite hockey team?


EDIT: does this guy ever contribute anything valuable to any discussion?

Not because the majority of fans is miserable - I am only smiling at one miserable fan. Your post(s) remind me of discussions from the era of '72. (I graduated in '74.)

When Yale won it was mixed.  I was happy for them and sick for us.  Not as sick as in '73 and '03 but still truly sad.

So you aren't in favor of rooting against one of your team's biggest rivals, but you're perfectly fine rooting for a fellow Cornell fan's misery.

Depends on the fan.

Considering I speak for just about every sports fan I have ever met, I don't think it really depends on the fan.  

Which should bring you some measure of joy.

No?  How badly can you possibly miss the point?  Am I one of my favorite sports team's biggest rivals?

Well, this is definitely the repetition of a simple point that has finally convinced me! 19th time's the charm, I guess.

I repeat it because I think it's as close to fact as you are going to find in sports fandom.  You're telling me you think the majority of sports fans root for their team's rivals once their team is eliminated?  Seriously??  I mean, it's ludicrous to think so.  I don't care what the 20 people replying on this forum think; the far majority of sports fans hate their team's rivals.  Do Boston fans root for the Yankees when the Red Sox are out?  Do UNC fans show up to the final four when Duke is there wearing ACC shirts and cheering on the Blue Devils?

UNC fans probably would root for some other ACC team over, say, a Big 12 team, if that ACC team isn't Duke.  Harvard wasn't in the championship.  Yale is not our Duke.

Every Ivy is inherently rivals with every other Ivy.  At least, that is how every Cornell Hockey fan I have ever spoken to has looked at it.  Granted, basically all of these people are students, but still.  Given what Yale has done to us over the past six years, I see them as the biggest rival we have right now besides Harvard.  This all is only amplified by the fact that none of us had won a championship in forever, and they got to do it before us.  I highly doubt UNC fans are going to root for a team that has absolutely killed them in the biggest situations for so much of recent memory.  Maybe most likely they won't care at all, but they certainly (for the most part) aren't actively rooting for them.  Once again, I clearly don't speak for everyone, but I know a lot of sports fans and nearly all of them think the way I do.  My argument here was that I was being singled out unfairly when the majority of people share my sentiments.  And most importantly, I do not see this helping Cornell, but, as has been stated, this argument has been beaten to death.

[Towerroad]

Before this season, the metric I used to determine whether a season was successful was whether Cornell made the tournament.  Not anymore.  After mother******* Yale won the national championship, I am not going to be happy unless Cornell wins it itself.  So basically I am never going to be happy.

This makes me smile.  

:-)

Oh?  And why is that?  You're happy with the majority of Cornell fans being miserable?  Or is Yale your favorite hockey team?


EDIT: does this guy ever contribute anything valuable to any discussion?

Not because the majority of fans is miserable - I am only smiling at one miserable fan. Your post(s) remind me of discussions from the era of '72. (I graduated in '74.)

When Yale won it was mixed.  I was happy for them and sick for us.  Not as sick as in '73 and '03 but still truly sad.

So you aren't in favor of rooting against one of your team's biggest rivals, but you're perfectly fine rooting for a fellow Cornell fan's misery.

Depends on the fan.

Considering I speak for just about every sports fan I have ever met, I don't think it really depends on the fan.  

Which should bring you some measure of joy.

No?  How badly can you possibly miss the point?  Am I one of my favorite sports team's biggest rivals?

Well, this is definitely the repetition of a simple point that has finally convinced me! 19th time's the charm, I guess.

I repeat it because I think it's as close to fact as you are going to find in sports fandom.  You're telling me you think the majority of sports fans root for their team's rivals once their team is eliminated?  Seriously??  I mean, it's ludicrous to think so.  I don't care what the 20 people replying on this forum think; the far majority of sports fans hate their team's rivals.  Do Boston fans root for the Yankees when the Red Sox are out?  Do UNC fans show up to the final four when Duke is there wearing ACC shirts and cheering on the Blue Devils?

UNC fans probably would root for some other ACC team over, say, a Big 12 team, if that ACC team isn't Duke.  Harvard wasn't in the championship.  Yale is not our Duke.

Every Ivy is inherently rivals with every other Ivy.  At least, that is how every Cornell Hockey fan I have ever spoken to has looked at it.  Granted, basically all of these people are students, but still.  Given what Yale has done to us over the past six years, I see them as the biggest rival we have right now besides Harvard.  This all is only amplified by the fact that none of us had won a championship in forever, and they got to do it before us.  I highly doubt UNC fans are going to root for a team that has absolutely killed them in the biggest situations for so much of recent memory.  Maybe most likely they won't care at all, but they certainly (for the most part) aren't actively rooting for them.  Once again, I clearly don't speak for everyone, but I know a lot of sports fans and nearly all of them think the way I do.  My argument here was that I was being singled out unfairly when the majority of people share my sentiments.  And most importantly, I do not see this helping Cornell, but, as has been stated, this argument has been beaten to death.

There are rivalries and then there is how we feel about SUCKS. We should be clear about that, there is a difference. Yale has pretty much had their way with us over the last 5 or 6 years so, it is definitely a rivalry.

[KeithK]

Every Ivy is inherently rivals with every other Ivy.  At least, that is how every Cornell Hockey fan I have ever spoken to has looked at it.  Granted, basically all of these people are students, but still.

This is completely foreign to my experiences as a Cornell hockey fan. No one I have ever gone to a game with has every considered Brown, for instance, as a rival. When Princeton or Dartmouth were good for a while and were challenging us in the ECAC they never rose to the level of rival. Any more than I consider Union a rival now.  They're a good team in the conference that we compete against.  It's not the same.  Will Yale grow into a big rival?  Come back to me in ten years.  If they've maintained the current level of success then maybe they will have.

Some of this is related to one's personal experience.  If Yale has been at the top of the league throughout your entire experience as a Cornell hockey fan then they feel like a big rival to you in a way that a fan who mostly remembers Yale as middling to weak team through the years will not.

I think there is a lot of league loyalty in college sports. As someone else said, I can easily see a UNC fan rooting for another ACC team over a school from another conference. I see it all the time from Pac-12 fans where  I live. USCHO provided ample evidence for it in college hockey.

Especially for an Ivy League fan, with our pretensions about being better than the jock schools because we don't give sholarships and have academic standards, it's easy to see why one might be happy seeing fellow conference members do well nationally. I'm not syaing you have to though.

As for pro sports, I've already told you that I rooted for the Red Sox in the  '86 series though a lifelong Yankee fan. League loyalty in baseball has largely been eliminated though espeicaly since the leagues don't have much of a unique identity anymore.

[Rosey]

As for pro sports, I've already told you that I rooted for the Red Sox in the  '86 series though a lifelong Yankee fan. League loyalty in baseball has largely been eliminated though espeicaly since the leagues don't have much of a unique identity anymore.

The American League still has the designated hitter.

(Glad I could remind you of that. :-) )

[KeithK]

As for pro sports, I've already told you that I rooted for the Red Sox in the  '86 series though a lifelong Yankee fan. League loyalty in baseball has largely been eliminated though espeicaly since the leagues don't have much of a unique identity anymore.

The American League still has the designated hitter.

(Glad I could remind you of that. :-) )

Jerk!

[Trotsky]

As for pro sports, I've already told you that I rooted for the Red Sox in the  '86 series though a lifelong Yankee fan. League loyalty in baseball has largely been eliminated though espeicaly since the leagues don't have much of a unique identity anymore.

The American League still has the designated hitter.

(Glad I could remind you of that. :-) )

Jerk!

Characteristic  ::rolleyes::

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

- I saw a bumper sticker being sold at Fenway Park many years back.  It said "I love New York, too.  It's the Yankees I hate."
- The week before the Eagles play the Cowboys, they sell t-shirts outside of Flyers and Sixers games that say "Dallas Sucks" or even "Fuck Dallas."
- I have a friend who's a Duke fan.  She could never root for UNC under any circumstances. She has a t-shirt that says "My two favorite teams are Duke and whoever is playing North Carolina."
- Personally, as a Philadelphia sports fan, I could never root for the Rangers in hockey and any NFC East team in football (especially Dallas).  Never gonna happen. Not if you paid me a million bucks.

THOSE are rivalries.  What we have with Yale is irrelevant.