Bardreau is ?

[ursusminor]

I know he was down on the ice after the hit that Burgdoerfer got the 5+game on, but he seemed to get up fairly quickly and skate off under his own power. He returned to the game in the 2nd, and was on the ice for Lowry's goal in the last minute in the 3rd.

Forgive me for just catching up, but... there's ANOTHER Burgdoerfer who's ALSO a cheap-shot artist?  :-(

First of all, they are brothers.  Erik, a defenseman, graduated in 2010 and ammassed over 250 PIM over his career (including 108 in 2008-09).  Greg, a forward, transferred from Air Force (having to sit out his brother's senior year).  The two penalties he received on Saturday (the major + game misconduct) were only his 2nd and 3rd penalties all year. He receieved three minor penalties last season in 12 games.  Not the goon his brother was.

I'll leave it up to our RPI friends to add anything to the playing styles of either.

Actually they are twin brothers. To me they look identical, but they may not be. Erik was a better hockey player. I don't regard either of them as a cheap-shot artist. Sorry.

By the way, I am dreading the trouble that RPI recruit Jimmy DeVito, who recently served a suspension for his sixth major penalty of the season, will get into. See for example


(DeVito gave up 3 inches and 22 pounds on that one http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Fights/GameEvents.aspx?Game=407037&Fight=375553#Fight375553.)

I recall that players who transfer out of a service academy have no obligation unless they have stayed for more than two years, but I could be wrong.

You could be wrong, but you're not.

Munchkin stated that as soon as you start your second year, you owe them. Since I based what I wrote on my memory of an answer to a similar question elsewhere many years ago, I take her answer as more likely to be correct. Thus I was wrong. That is unless you are stating that I was correct and she was wrong. In any case, Greg B doesn't owe them money since the first year doesn't have to be repaid.

[Jerseygirl]

I know he was down on the ice after the hit that Burgdoerfer got the 5+game on, but he seemed to get up fairly quickly and skate off under his own power. He returned to the game in the 2nd, and was on the ice for Lowry's goal in the last minute in the 3rd.

Forgive me for just catching up, but... there's ANOTHER Burgdoerfer who's ALSO a cheap-shot artist?  :-(

First of all, they are brothers.  Erik, a defenseman, graduated in 2010 and ammassed over 250 PIM over his career (including 108 in 2008-09).  Greg, a forward, transferred from Air Force (having to sit out his brother's senior year).  The two penalties he received on Saturday (the major + game misconduct) were only his 2nd and 3rd penalties all year. He receieved three minor penalties last season in 12 games.  Not the goon his brother was.

I'll leave it up to our RPI friends to add anything to the playing styles of either.

Actually they are twin brothers. To me they look identical, but they may not be. Erik was a better hockey player. I don't regard either of them as a cheap-shot artist. Sorry.

By the way, I am dreading the trouble that RPI recruit Jimmy DeVito, who recently served a suspension for his sixth major penalty of the season, will get into. See for example


(DeVito gave up 3 inches and 22 pounds on that one http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Fights/GameEvents.aspx?Game=407037&Fight=375553#Fight375553.)

I recall that players who transfer out of a service academy have no obligation unless they have stayed for more than two years, but I could be wrong.

You could be wrong, but you're not.

Munchkin stated that as soon as you start your second year, you owe them. Since I based what I wrote on my memory of an answer to a similar question elsewhere many years ago, I take her answer as more likely to be correct. Thus I was wrong. That is unless you are stating that I was correct and she was wrong. In any case, Greg B doesn't owe them money since the first year doesn't have to be repaid.

Right. This is a surprisingly difficult question for which to find a definitive, confirming answer online. My info is based on having had numerous friends going through West Point. In fact, both answers may be correct. With the exclusion of NROTC programs (and possibly USNA), it looks like recoupment is required if separation from the service academy/ROTC occurs after two years, not one. I don't know what your definition of "many years ago" is, but unless the change occurred within the last two years or so, I'm standing by the two-year answer. Now I am curious -- I still have some recent connections to USMA (my childhood neighbor/surrogate older brother is a graduate and served a teaching appointment in its history department from 2009-2012, for one), so maybe I'll shoot one of them an email about it. Or maybe get back to work. Either way.

[ursusminor]

I know he was down on the ice after the hit that Burgdoerfer got the 5+game on, but he seemed to get up fairly quickly and skate off under his own power. He returned to the game in the 2nd, and was on the ice for Lowry's goal in the last minute in the 3rd.

Forgive me for just catching up, but... there's ANOTHER Burgdoerfer who's ALSO a cheap-shot artist?  :-(

First of all, they are brothers.  Erik, a defenseman, graduated in 2010 and ammassed over 250 PIM over his career (including 108 in 2008-09).  Greg, a forward, transferred from Air Force (having to sit out his brother's senior year).  The two penalties he received on Saturday (the major + game misconduct) were only his 2nd and 3rd penalties all year. He receieved three minor penalties last season in 12 games.  Not the goon his brother was.

I'll leave it up to our RPI friends to add anything to the playing styles of either.

Actually they are twin brothers. To me they look identical, but they may not be. Erik was a better hockey player. I don't regard either of them as a cheap-shot artist. Sorry.

By the way, I am dreading the trouble that RPI recruit Jimmy DeVito, who recently served a suspension for his sixth major penalty of the season, will get into. See for example


(DeVito gave up 3 inches and 22 pounds on that one http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Fights/GameEvents.aspx?Game=407037&Fight=375553#Fight375553.)

I recall that players who transfer out of a service academy have no obligation unless they have stayed for more than two years, but I could be wrong.

You could be wrong, but you're not.

Munchkin stated that as soon as you start your second year, you owe them. Since I based what I wrote on my memory of an answer to a similar question elsewhere many years ago, I take her answer as more likely to be correct. Thus I was wrong. That is unless you are stating that I was correct and she was wrong. In any case, Greg B doesn't owe them money since the first year doesn't have to be repaid.

Right. This is a surprisingly difficult question for which to find a definitive, confirming answer online. My info is based on having had numerous friends going through West Point. In fact, both answers may be correct. With the exclusion of NROTC programs (and possibly USNA), it looks like recoupment is required if separation from the service academy/ROTC occurs after two years, not one. I don't know what your definition of "many years ago" is, but unless the change occurred within the last two years or so, I'm standing by the two-year answer. Now I am curious -- I still have some recent connections to USMA (my childhood neighbor/surrogate older brother is a graduate and served a teaching appointment in its history department from 2009-2012, for one), so maybe I'll shoot one of them an email about it. Or maybe get back to work. Either way.

It was close to ten years ago when I heard that one can leave an academy after two years without penalty. I hadn't thought about ROTC, but that would also explain why many people whom I knew dropped out after two years at RPI. RPI has (or at least had) all three ROTC programs, and I don't recall if the Navy program was different from the others.

[Josh '99]

Right. This is a surprisingly difficult question for which to find a definitive, confirming answer online.

I think it makes sense that the straight answer is hard to find, since it seems like the kind of thing that the academies probably wouldn't want to advertise.

[Rosey]

In regards to restitution to an Academy - if you leave before you take your Oath which is the beginning of Sophomore year. So you can only be there for one year without owing them anything. I got an appointment to Annapolis before deciding that I wanted a typical college experience, and came to Cornell, rather than such a structured one. And hey I still managed to become an officer in the end (Navy Nurse Corps).

Ed went to West Point for 2 years and left for MIT without owing anything.

[munchkin]

When I was getting all the information from my Congressman, he made it pretty clear that it was 1 year to make up your mind and if you started Sophomore year you started owing them. That was in 2005 when I graduated from high school, and I was going to be a varsity athlete had I gone (for rowing which I did do at Cornell). Unless he was misinformed, that's where I got my info. Since I didn't end up going to Annapolis, and have now been commissinoed without going through ROTC, I don't know the specifics beyond that.

[ursusminor]

Cole Bardreau is discussed in a Hockey's Future article as one of five NCAA players to watch for in the NHL draft. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/84925/five-collegians-to-watch-for-the-2013-nhl-draft/#more-84925

[Trotsky]

Think we saw him in C tonight.  How many age appropriate guys would be wearing a suit and a neckbrace?

[George64]

Rochester D and C sports columnist Kevin Oklobzija, writing today about the hit by Sabres' Patrick Kaleta's on Rangers' Brad Richards, interviewed U of R spinal surgeon Robert Molinari.  Towards the end of the article, Oklobzija notes "He is now treating Fairport's Cole Bardreau, who suffered a major neck injury in a game for Cornell in January.  "He's going to be as good as new," Molinari said of Bardreau."

[Jim Hyla]

Rochester D and C sports columnist Kevin Oklobzija, writing today about the hit by Sabres' Patrick Kaleta's on Rangers' Brad Richards, interviewed U of R spinal surgeon Robert Molinari.  Towards the end of the article, Oklobzija notes "He is now treating Fairport's Cole Bardreau, who suffered a major neck injury in a game for Cornell in January.  "He's going to be as good as new," Molinari said of Bardreau."

Thanks, George. Good news for next year.

[George64]

Received storm-delayed Friday edition of D&C today.  Nice article about Fairport's Cole Bardreau.

[billhoward]

Received storm-delayed Friday edition of D&C today.  Nice article about Fairport's Cole Bardreau.

For those of us who went to the top of this thread and suffered momentary heart failure, the "Bardreau done for the year" post was from last year. Phew.

[Trotsky]

Received storm-delayed Friday edition of D&C today.  Nice article about Fairport's Cole Bardreau.

For those of us who went to the top of this thread and suffered momentary heart failure, the "Bardreau done for the year" post was from last year. Phew.

This, indeed.

[KeithK]

Received storm-delayed Friday edition of D&C today.  Nice article about Fairport's Cole Bardreau.

For those of us who went to the top of this thread and suffered momentary heart failure, the "Bardreau done for the year" post was from last year. Phew.

This, indeed.

this is why you should use the "New" button!

[BMac]

I had one of those "close all the tabs and hope I didn't see that" moments.

Yeah, let's not have threads with player names as their title.