CU vs. Denver

billhoward · January 06, 2013, 11:55:44 AM

Quote from: sah67Schafer's take on the end-of-game penalties:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aHZkK788Z94

The coach says there was no swearing. The officials believed they heard something else why call a penalty. Even officials can lose their composure. (Didn't the ECAC's head of officiating get into a shouting match in the Union press box and was later fined? http://blog.timesunion.com/hockey/ecac-fines-reprimands-stewart-after-messa-rink-incident/7790/) It's hard for fans to believe their team is in the wrong. Conflicting stories and viewpoints. Whatever really happened, Cornell returns to league play and may find officials watching Cornell more closely.

billhoward · January 06, 2013, 12:05:33 PM

Does anyone track the season record for game misconducts and game disqualifications? It may need to be in the context of the era. Someone like Kevin Pettit '71 (?) was a man for his time and if I recall the legend correctly, he needed something like 15 penalty minutes in his final game to break the season or career record ... and he succeeded. But was Pettit also not the man who beat Harvard with a late game or OT shot from near center ice? So all is forgiven.

Trotsky · January 06, 2013, 12:10:45 PM

Quote from: billhowardDoes anyone track the season record for game misconducts and game disqualifications?

Although the records aren't broken down to specific calls, my guess is they have a long, long way to go. The "Top 50 Career/Season PIM" and the "PIM/Game" records (towards the bottom) hint at how different the game once was.

dbilmes · January 06, 2013, 12:16:07 PM

In any case, it sounds like we won't be making any more regular-season road trips to play WCHA teams.

Towerroad · January 06, 2013, 12:19:35 PM

Quote from: dbilmesIn any case, it sounds like we won't be making any more regular-season road trips to play WCHA teams.

I am sure they are devastated

Trotsky · January 06, 2013, 12:27:43 PM

Quote from: dbilmesIn any case, it sounds like we won't be making any more regular-season road trips to play WCHA teams.

As of next year, Denver probably won't either.

jtwcornell91 · January 06, 2013, 03:05:35 PM

Quote from: Redscoreyes.. i'll be honest... i haven't watched a cornell game for five years... boring. I love the school and team and I follow the team like a true fan, but I cant watch anymore. if you talk to college hockey fans, We are boring, and irrelevant. I love the team but cant watch them anymore.....

Yes, our style of play is so boring. ::rolleyes::

captens1 · January 06, 2013, 03:37:25 PM

Well, as to the hockey games ...

I was at both games in the Cornell alum section, which was behind the nets. I'm hoarse like the old days in section B.

My summary of game 1: we got beat at a kinda dump and chase style. Denver seemed to be saying "ok, you wanna play that dull, we will too. They made the best of their opportunities, we did not. Passes were consistently two feet off where they needed to be.

Game 2: CU fans were more lively, and the game was more evenly played. There was certainly some hometown reffing going on. Whistle to stop play with a live puck in the crease, and the game misconduct certainly wasn't obvious from my angle. Big Red did a lot better to keep DU from having quality SOGs they had in game 1. so the shot count wasn't indicative of the evenness of the play. A loss, but not embarrassing. Team was gassed in third period.

Chuck Henderson · January 06, 2013, 03:45:22 PM

The Denver cameras didn't show much of the scuffle after the final whistle. And I haven't watched any of the video again. But given those caveats, I pretty much disagree with the those thinking the team embarrassed the university. Perhaps the officials did the maximum to make it seem that way. This is also very far from the most undisciplined team ever.

I don't think there was a replay on the Tiitinen penalty. Jason said repeatedly that Tiitinen was not on the ice at the time. Let's assume there was contact to the head. It was presumably fairly incidental. Axell's penalty looked to be about as weak a major call as one will ever see, if it was even a penalty.

I'll believe Schafer's account of the end of the game. From the light milling around by all the players not long after the buzzer, it couldn't have been all that bad. By all one can tell, this was a very poorly officiated game. The counterpart contacts to the head were not called on Denver. The officials really did us a disservice, and needlessly, by not allowing the postgame handshake. Our players looked like they wanted to do it and were as calm as in most situations with a little postgame action. This decision by the officials is the only thing that will leave a bad impression of Cornell because it will look like there really was a serious problem.

All this notwithstanding, too many penalties are being taken--at least in a season where both special teams are poor. Does anyone have the penalty minutes when matching penalties and 10-minute misconducts are subtracted out--and where we rank then?

And one certainly does not have a good feeling about this team reaching its expected potential, not that there couldn't still be a late-season run with everything coming together. (How did so many ECAC teams become as good or better than us this season, when we should be significantly better than last season? Is it recruiting or just our playing below potential?)

Trotsky · January 06, 2013, 04:05:01 PM

The only certainty is whenever we lose three straight 10% of the fan base goes on suicide watch. Relax. We will win another game in our history.

Al DeFlorio · January 06, 2013, 04:30:25 PM

Quote from: captens1Game 2: CU fans were more lively, and the game was more evenly played.

I suppose I could be reading too much into this, but when Denver has 16 second period shots to Cornell's 2, it does not give the indication of being "evenly played."

HockeyMan · January 06, 2013, 06:08:24 PM

Quote from: TrotskyThe only certainty is whenever we lose three straight 10% of the fan base goes on suicide watch. Relax. We will win another game in our history.

What is the point of a post like this? Should we not be engaging in critical analysis of the team and its performances?

Scersk '97 · January 06, 2013, 06:22:59 PM

Quote from: HockeyMan
Quote from: TrotskyThe only certainty is whenever we lose three straight 10% of the fan base goes on suicide watch. Relax. We will win another game in our history.

What is the point of a post like this? Should we not be engaging in critical analysis of the team and its performances?

On that note: What I want to know is why MacDonald keeps playing over Stoick, even though the former lags the team and the rest of the D, by a significant amount, in +/-. Yeah, yeah, I know +/- isn't everything, but it's something. What I've seen of MacDonald this year is a firebrand who jumps up into the play a bit more often than he should but lacks the speed of, say, a Gotovets to recover when he's made a mistake.

I wonder if it's time to give the freshman some more ice time.

On the other side, I think that if Ferlin and McCarron can work their ways out of their sophomore slumps the extra goals will cure a lot of ills. McCarron, quite clearly, needs to stay out of the box. Ferlin? Still just doesn't look himself.

Towerroad · January 06, 2013, 06:49:11 PM

Quote from: jtwcornell91
Quote from: Redscoreyes.. i'll be honest... i haven't watched a cornell game for five years... boring. I love the school and team and I follow the team like a true fan, but I cant watch anymore. if you talk to college hockey fans, We are boring, and irrelevant. I love the team but cant watch them anymore.....

Yes, our style of play is so boring. ::rolleyes::

It was a thing of beauty but 3 or 4 minutes of great hockey does not a season make. How did the 09-10 season end? One and done in the NCAA tournament drubbed 6-2 by the same NH Wildcats.

For the record I am not calling for the coaches head, but 7 Majors, 4 10 min misconducts, and 7 Game misconducts is not a record to boast about. Coupled this with a relatively weak special team effort and it really begins to cost. Regardless of whether it was warranted or not the Denver penalties were not an isolated incident.

The coach recruits, trains, and selects the players. I assume he is paid quite well and it is reasonable to ask if we are satisfied with the product he is putting on the ice? If the coach is holding the players accountable for their on ice play, the coach should be held accountable for the teams performance?

css228 · January 06, 2013, 08:39:12 PM

Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: HockeyMan
Quote from: TrotskyThe only certainty is whenever we lose three straight 10% of the fan base goes on suicide watch. Relax. We will win another game in our history.

What is the point of a post like this? Should we not be engaging in critical analysis of the team and its performances?

On that note: What I want to know is why MacDonald keeps playing over Stoick, even though the former lags the team and the rest of the D, by a significant amount, in +/-. Yeah, yeah, I know +/- isn't everything, but it's something. What I've seen of MacDonald this year is a firebrand who jumps up into the play a bit more often than he should but lacks the speed of, say, a Gotovets to recover when he's made a mistake.

I wonder if it's time to give the freshman some more ice time.

On the other side, I think that if Ferlin and McCarron can work their ways out of their sophomore slumps the extra goals will cure a lot of ills. McCarron, quite clearly, needs to stay out of the box. Ferlin? Still just doesn't look himself.

+/- is a terrible way to judge. And by my calculations MacDonald has been one of our better defenders. Bench D'ags for a game, he's been lazy with the puck in our zone all season long and maybe benching a captain will send a message to the team.