Cornell 3 Clarkson 1: Just Win, Baby

[marty]

Not to mention playing while the Cornell band was playing. Other than teams-entering-the-ice and post-goal/period, there is typically some band etiquette they seem to ignore. They did, at least, seem to stop their annoying percussion-during-play antics.

If the Lynah police can (attempt to) control swearing and if the police at the University of Minnesota NCAA tourney site could confiscate a cowbell hanging out in the band, why can't rink directors read the riot act to the Clarkson band before they misbehave?
::deadhorse::

Meh.  I like it when they misbehave.  Gives us someone to yell at.  And I don't like heavy-handed efforts by the rink staff to control anybody.

Fun in Lynah, no fun in Troy. At RIP, the fans are understandably moribund and yelling at the opponents is restricted to one or two cheers.

At least I enjoy the hockey and have good friends to sit with.

Happy New Year as the next home game in Troy is on December 31 and thankfully not hosting CCT.

[RichH]

Not to mention playing while the Cornell band was playing. Other than teams-entering-the-ice and post-goal/period, there is typically some band etiquette they seem to ignore. They did, at least, seem to stop their annoying percussion-during-play antics.

If the Lynah police can (attempt to) control swearing and if the police at the University of Minnesota NCAA tourney site could confiscate a cowbell hanging out in the band, why can't rink directors read the riot act to the Clarkson band before they misbehave?
::deadhorse::

My dead horse is that we're probably the only rink in the league now that doesn't restrict visiting bands to the NCAA-tournament limit of 25 playing members.  At least that's what has happened to the Cornell band in (I think) every rink in the league the past few years. 30-40+ kids make roadtrips and in every arena there's some Athletics Nazi counting people with instruments, so a dozen or so bandies who ride all over the northeast for many games are sitting there with Waldo shirts on, but no instruments. I guess they have that right, being their building and all, but it still pisses me off.  It never used to be that way, anywhere. If you don't want your building taken over, maybe get some fans. And original chants.

[Scersk '97]

Whoever came up with the 25-member limit in the first place was clearly both an idiot and a Nazi.

"Grab a rope!  Find a tree!  Let's go hang the guy who came up with this arbitrary number!"

[Trotsky]

I suppose the band could call ahead to, you know, see if there's a limit?

[judy]

I suppose the band could call ahead to, you know, see if there's a limit?

Why are you trying to be logical and make sense?

[Chris '03]

Not to mention playing while the Cornell band was playing. Other than teams-entering-the-ice and post-goal/period, there is typically some band etiquette they seem to ignore. They did, at least, seem to stop their annoying percussion-during-play antics.

If the Lynah police can (attempt to) control swearing and if the police at the University of Minnesota NCAA tourney site could confiscate a cowbell hanging out in the band, why can't rink directors read the riot act to the Clarkson band before they misbehave?
::deadhorse::

My dead horse is that we're probably the only rink in the league now that doesn't restrict visiting bands to the NCAA-tournament limit of 25 playing members.  At least that's what has happened to the Cornell band in (I think) every rink in the league the past few years. 30-40+ kids make roadtrips and in every arena there's some Athletics Nazi counting people with instruments, so a dozen or so bandies who ride all over the northeast for many games are sitting there with Waldo shirts on, but no instruments. I guess they have that right, being their building and all, but it still pisses me off.  It never used to be that way, anywhere. If you don't want your building taken over, maybe get some fans. And original chants.

I don't know what the case is now but back in '02, Cornell rink staff gave visiting bands a hard time on the limit, which gave us a 51 vs 25 advantage in size.  I also recall routinely ignoring the limits in other rinks (and NCAA games).  My position has always been that no one is going to stop you if you have the bodies and buy the tickets.  Confidence and the ability to convincingly plead ignorance go a long way.  The only time we were ever completely screwed by NCAA band "rules" was the women's lax final four when we were told that bands could only play at halftime. Not after goals or anything else.

[Trotsky]

Confidence and the ability to convincingly plead ignorance go a long way.

Pretty good dating advice.

[RichH]

I suppose the band could call ahead to, you know, see if there's a limit?

They do exactly that to, **YOU KNOW**, tell them that they're coming and to buy the regular block of visiting band tickets.  What usually happens is the band sends their usual full bus, and those who sit out and don't play for the Friday game swap off with people and get to play for the Saturday game elsewhere.

I've seen at Ingalls an arena/athletics staff member stand at the door and actually count the number of kids coming in with instruments. My point is that it's a shitty policy that used to be a very rare occurance. IIRC, the first time we encountered this, we found that clarinet cases fit nicely inside tuba bells and piccolos can be hidden easily up the sleeves of polo shirts.

[marty]

I've seen at Ingalls an arena/athletics staff member stand at the door and actually count the number of kids coming in with instruments. My point is that it's a shitty policy that used to be a very rare occurance. IIRC, the first time we encountered this, we found that clarinet cases fit nicely inside tuba bells and piccolos can be hidden easily up the sleeves of polo shirts.

This is hilarious as my son once brought my daughter into the Eli band section (circa 2003) so that she could enjoy the game while pretending to play her flute (she didn't know the tunes).  The rink was sold out for the Cornell game, of course.  He did manage to score center ice seats for his mom and dad that night.

At the same game he also rescued the younger brother of one of his classmates, using him as an ersatz band member so that he wouldn't have to sit through "The Vagina Monologues" with his sister.

[Trotsky]

I suppose the band could call ahead to, you know, see if there's a limit?

They do exactly that to, **YOU KNOW**, tell them that they're coming and to buy the regular block of visiting band tickets.  What usually happens is the band sends their usual full bus, and those who sit out and don't play for the Friday game swap off with people and get to play for the Saturday game elsewhere.

I've seen at Ingalls an arena/athletics staff member stand at the door and actually count the number of kids coming in with instruments. My point is that it's a shitty policy that used to be a very rare occurance. IIRC, the first time we encountered this, we found that clarinet cases fit nicely inside tuba bells and piccolos can be hidden easily up the sleeves of polo shirts.

My point was if you get turned away from the door for breaking a policy that, however wrongheaded, you knew about beforehand, then that's on you, not the rink.

Having said which, I am all for the pep band putting 80 in the stands at Harvard on the understanding that someday maybe Michigan will bring 800 to Lynah.

[RichH]

I suppose the band could call ahead to, you know, see if there's a limit?

They do exactly that to, **YOU KNOW**, tell them that they're coming and to buy the regular block of visiting band tickets.  What usually happens is the band sends their usual full bus, and those who sit out and don't play for the Friday game swap off with people and get to play for the Saturday game elsewhere.

I've seen at Ingalls an arena/athletics staff member stand at the door and actually count the number of kids coming in with instruments. My point is that it's a shitty policy that used to be a very rare occurance. IIRC, the first time we encountered this, we found that clarinet cases fit nicely inside tuba bells and piccolos can be hidden easily up the sleeves of polo shirts.

My point was if you get turned away from the door for breaking a policy that, however wrongheaded, you knew about beforehand, then that's on you, not the rink.

Having said which, I am all for the pep band putting 80 in the stands at Harvard on the understanding that someday maybe Michigan will bring 800 to Lynah.

Yes, exactly (Michigan will never come to Lynah, and good luck getting 800 tickets). Any opponent arguing that it's an "NCAA Rule" is absolutely wrong. The NCAA only limits bands to 25 for NCAA Tournament games. If a University limits the opposing band, they are doing so for their own jerky reasons, and not due to any NCAA policy.  They should say so instead of hiding behind some lame excuse.

[Robb]

Yes, exactly (Michigan will never come to Lynah, and good luck getting 800 tickets). Any opponent arguing that it's an "NCAA Rule" is absolutely wrong. The NCAA only limits bands to 25 for NCAA Tournament games. If a University limits the opposing band, they are doing so for their own jerky reasons, and not due to any NCAA policy.  They should say so instead of hiding behind some lame excuse.

Good point.  The NCAA doesn't even mandate what OT rules you have to use for regular season games, much less how many people are in the bands.

[Trotsky]

Yes, exactly (Michigan will never come to Lynah, and good luck getting 800 tickets). Any opponent arguing that it's an "NCAA Rule" is absolutely wrong. The NCAA only limits bands to 25 for NCAA Tournament games. If a University limits the opposing band, they are doing so for their own jerky reasons, and not due to any NCAA policy.  They should say so instead of hiding behind some lame excuse.

I agree with all of this (particularly about Michigan never coming to Lynah, although hey, CC, Denver and UNO are a start).

[Chris '03]

Yes, exactly (Michigan will never come to Lynah, and good luck getting 800 tickets). Any opponent arguing that it's an "NCAA Rule" is absolutely wrong. The NCAA only limits bands to 25 for NCAA Tournament games. If a University limits the opposing band, they are doing so for their own jerky reasons, and not due to any NCAA policy.  They should say so instead of hiding behind some lame excuse.

I agree with all of this (particularly about Michigan never coming to Lynah, although hey, CC, Denver and UNO [and North Dakota and Michigan State]are a start).

Red has to retire eventually...

[Aaron M. Griffin]

Yes, exactly (Michigan will never come to Lynah, and good luck getting 800 tickets). Any opponent arguing that it's an "NCAA Rule" is absolutely wrong. The NCAA only limits bands to 25 for NCAA Tournament games. If a University limits the opposing band, they are doing so for their own jerky reasons, and not due to any NCAA policy.  They should say so instead of hiding behind some lame excuse.

I agree with all of this (particularly about Michigan never coming to Lynah, although hey, CC, Denver and UNO are a start).

When did UNO travel to Lynah?