Generic Off Season Thread

[Jim Hyla]

Adam, the point is, how can you know, or think you know, what your fan base wants if you don't ask them? If their concern was attendance, then they should have hired a polling company to ask. Otherwise you've just got 12 men, whoops people, in a room; and we should know how fair that can be.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Oh God.  Let the season start soon.  PLEASE!

[adamw]

Adam, the point is, how can you know, or think you know, what your fan base wants if you don't ask them? If their concern was attendance, then they should have hired a polling company to ask. Otherwise you've just got 12 men, whoops people, in a room; and we should know how fair that can be.

I didn't say you were wrong ... I just said that I know that the ADs voted how they *thought* their fan bases would want it, in most cases.  I was challenged on that statement.  I didn't say their thought process was correct.  I don't think any of us knows what the entirety of the fan base wants for sure.

[Trotsky]

Ultimately, the actual attendance will tell what the fanbases want.

The far more important fact is that Cornell now has only one chance to win in Atlantic City.  Given that Cornell has won in every ECAC host city, that makes 2012-13 a must win season!  

[Aaron M. Griffin]

The far more important fact is that Cornell now has only one chance to win in Atlantic City.  Given that Cornell has won in every ECAC host city, that makes 2012-13 a must win season!  

That's what I have been saying for some time now. 13 in '13.

[bnr24]

The far more important fact is that Cornell now has only one chance to win in Atlantic City.  Given that Cornell has won in every ECAC host city, that makes 2012-13 a must win season!  

That's what I have been saying for some time now. 13 in '13.

Agreed!

And in case anyone cares about the hotel situation (which it seems all of you do...) a quick check on Priceline reveals the cancellation policy for a stay from March 22-24 of this year:

For the room type you've selected, you can cancel your reservation for a full refund up until noon on Friday, March 15th (local hotel time). If you decide to cancel your reservation anytime between noon on Friday, March 15th and noon on Friday, March 22nd (local hotel time), the hotel requires payment for the first night's stay. You will be charged for the first night's stay including taxes and fees. Any remaining amount will be refunded to you. Refunds or cancellations are not available after noon local hotel time on your day of arrival (Friday, March 22nd).

This is the Lakeview Inn.

Depending on the room type with the Courtyard by Marriot, you get either:

Good news! This reservation qualifies for free cancellation up until 11:59 PM local hotel time on Monday, March 18, 2013. If cancelled or modified up to 3 days before date of arrival, no fee will be charged. If cancelled or modified later or in case of no-show, 100 percent of the first night will be charged. Any cancellation and/or change fees described here are charged directly by the hotel.

or

For the room type you've selected, you can cancel your reservation for a full refund up until noon on Thursday, March 21st (local hotel time). If you decide to cancel your reservation anytime between noon on Thursday, March 21st and noon on Friday, March 22nd (local hotel time), the hotel requires payment for the first night's stay. You will be charged for the first night's stay including taxes and fees. Any remaining amount will be refunded to you. Refunds or cancellations are not available after noon local hotel time on your day of arrival (Friday, March 22nd).

Another one...

Good news! This reservation qualifies for free cancellation up until 11:59 PM local hotel time on Monday, March 18, 2013. If cancelled or modified up to 3 days before date of arrival, no fee will be charged. If cancelled or modified later or in case of no-show, 100 percent of the first night will be charged. Any cancellation and/or change fees described here are charged directly by the hotel.

That hardly sounds Draconian. That is the Northwoods Inn.

The EconoLodge Lake Placid has an even more flexible cancellation policy:

For the room type you've selected, you can cancel your reservation for a full refund up until noon on Thursday, March 21st (local hotel time). If you decide to cancel your reservation anytime between noon on Thursday, March 21st and noon on Friday, March 22nd (local hotel time), the hotel requires payment for the first night's stay. You will be charged for the first night's stay including taxes and fees. Any remaining amount will be refunded to you. Refunds or cancellations are not available after noon local hotel time on your day of arrival (Friday, March 22nd).

The Town and Country Motor Inn allows cancellation 10 days prior or elsetotal reservation fee will be charged.

Depending on the room type in the Crowne Plaza Resort Hotel, it is either non-refundable or

This reservation qualifies for free cancellation up until 11:59 PM local hotel time on Tuesday, March 19, 2013. If cancelled or modified up to 2 days before date of arrival, no fee will be charged. If cancelled or modified later or in case of no-show, 100 percent of the first night will be charged. Any cancellation and/or change fees described here are charged directly by the hotel.

Least notice goes to the Whiteface Lodge:

This reservation qualifies for free cancellation up until 11:59 PM local hotel time on Tuesday, February 19, 2013. If cancelled or modified up to 30 days before date of arrival, no fee will be charged. If cancelled or modified later or in case of no-show, 100 percent of the first night will be charged.

The Lake Placid Summit Hotel and Kiwassa Lake B&B and Cabins allow for no cancellation/refunds whatsoever.

So yes, some still have these rules in place, but a Bed and Breakfast or a Lodge are places which have these rules typically regardless of location.  If you want to go only for our team though, there are more than enough options that allow for cancellation with as little as 3 days.  And these are only the hotels in Lake Placid, proper.  Once you go SLIGHTLY outside of Lake Placid, they are all refundable.  So the hotel argument to me seems to be invalid.

[Jim Hyla]

So yes, some still have these rules in place, but a Bed and Breakfast or a Lodge are places which have these rules typically regardless of location.  If you want to go only for our team though, there are more than enough options that allow for cancellation with as little as 3 days.  And these are only the hotels in Lake Placid, proper.  Once you go SLIGHTLY outside of Lake Placid, they are all refundable.  So the hotel argument to me seems to be invalid.

Not really, you're going to need to know the policy during ECAC week. What they do now doesn't mean what they will do then. Many hotels have different policies for major events. Certainly those were not the policies when the ECAC was there before. Hopefully it will all be explained tomorrow.

[Jim Hyla]

Adam, the point is, how can you know, or think you know, what your fan base wants if you don't ask them? If their concern was attendance, then they should have hired a polling company to ask. Otherwise you've just got 12 men, whoops people, in a room; and we should know how fair that can be.

I didn't say you were wrong ... I just said that I know that the ADs voted how they *thought* their fan bases would want it, in most cases.  I was challenged on that statement.  I didn't say their thought process was correct.  I don't think any of us knows what the entirety of the fan base wants for sure.

Adam, I wrote my statement poorly. I didn't mean what you, meaning Adam, know, rather how can the ADs think they know what their fans want, if they never ask? Sorry that I made it sound like I was referring to you.

edit: And I'm glad CHN has links to the articles in the "Lake Placid News" and "Adirondack Daily Enterprise", the same article in each. It's so good to know that we've got those great papers publicizing it.:-D

[Josh '99]

Seeing as the siting of the ECAC championship weekend composed much of the discussion on this thread, I'll put this here:
https://twitter.com/chnews/status/233983776705892352

Huh.  So THAT'S why there were 43 new posts in the offseason thread over an otherwise uneventful weekend.

[RatushnyFan]

Since I'm fond of non-car transportation for hockey trips, I just learned that Amtrak does service Lake Placid (bus transfer off the Adirondack route from Westport), so one could travel from NYC or Albany without a car.

But you lose the fun of getting a ticket if you drive 36 MPH on Rt 73.

Crowne Plaza has a decent bar with a nice view and the rink is just a stumble down a (huge) hill...........decent place.  I stayed there in March while attending my son's tournament.  One of my high school buddies is married to a woman whose family owns the hotel.

I like going to LP even though it is a hike.  The restaurants, bars, shops, I think it's just fun.  I was < 2 hours from Albany near NYC so I won't get to go as much with my own kids playing most weekends.  But I can hope and sometimes good things happen.  Just ask Douglas Murray.

[bnr24]

So yes, some still have these rules in place, but a Bed and Breakfast or a Lodge are places which have these rules typically regardless of location.  If you want to go only for our team though, there are more than enough options that allow for cancellation with as little as 3 days.  And these are only the hotels in Lake Placid, proper.  Once you go SLIGHTLY outside of Lake Placid, they are all refundable.  So the hotel argument to me seems to be invalid.

Not really, you're going to need to know the policy during ECAC week. What they do now doesn't mean what they will do then. Many hotels have different policies for major events. Certainly those were not the policies when the ECAC was there before. Hopefully it will all be explained tomorrow.

What makes you think that it will not be made even better a year later than that and during a weekend when demand will be high?  They will make even MORE money if they are able to make better cancellation policies during that weekend.  Besides, since when have hotels gotten MORE draconian in their policies into the future when it is already almost unheard of for places which are not B&Bs or Resorts.

[Al DeFlorio]

So yes, some still have these rules in place, but a Bed and Breakfast or a Lodge are places which have these rules typically regardless of location.  If you want to go only for our team though, there are more than enough options that allow for cancellation with as little as 3 days.  And these are only the hotels in Lake Placid, proper.  Once you go SLIGHTLY outside of Lake Placid, they are all refundable.  So the hotel argument to me seems to be invalid.

Not really, you're going to need to know the policy during ECAC week. What they do now doesn't mean what they will do then. Many hotels have different policies for major events. Certainly those were not the policies when the ECAC was there before. Hopefully it will all be explained tomorrow.

What makes you think that it will not be made even better a year later than that and during a weekend when demand will be high?  They will make even MORE money if they are able to make better cancellation policies during that weekend.  Besides, since when have hotels gotten MORE draconian in their policies into the future when it is already almost unheard of for places which are not B&Bs or Resorts.

Ummm.  Past experience?

[adamw]

I see LP is winning the eLynah poll up top ... guess they really did listen to the fan base

[Aaron M. Griffin]

I see LP is winning the eLynah poll up top ... guess they really did listen to the fan base

Exactly how many shell accounts do you have to stuff the eLynah ballot box?

[bnr24]

So yes, some still have these rules in place, but a Bed and Breakfast or a Lodge are places which have these rules typically regardless of location.  If you want to go only for our team though, there are more than enough options that allow for cancellation with as little as 3 days.  And these are only the hotels in Lake Placid, proper.  Once you go SLIGHTLY outside of Lake Placid, they are all refundable.  So the hotel argument to me seems to be invalid.

Not really, you're going to need to know the policy during ECAC week. What they do now doesn't mean what they will do then. Many hotels have different policies for major events. Certainly those were not the policies when the ECAC was there before. Hopefully it will all be explained tomorrow.

What makes you think that it will not be made even better a year later than that and during a weekend when demand will be high?  They will make even MORE money if they are able to make better cancellation policies during that weekend.  Besides, since when have hotels gotten MORE draconian in their policies into the future when it is already almost unheard of for places which are not B&Bs or Resorts.

Ummm.  Past experience?

Life.  Hotels.  Basic common sense?

I'm saying given that we are living in 2012, where social media is incredibly influential in our lives and people are living on the web, that things have likely changed in the last decade.  Things have changed in the last four years and to think that hotel policies are somehow magically free of this is naive.