You Are The Committee

[Aaron M. Griffin]

But for what it's worth, I haven't made it to the regionals in person since 2003 in Providence anyway, because they've usually been just too damn far away for me to justify the trip when I'm already booked to travel for the Frozen Four.

That's supposed to make us feel better? Hmmmm 2003? Something else happened that year in Cornell hockey.

(Yes, I am implying a superstitious connection between your attendance and Cornell's success).

Too small a sample size.  I was there for our regionals in 1996 (lost to Lake Superior State), 1997 (beat Miami-OH, lost to North Dakota), and 2002 (beat Quinnipiac, lost to New Hampshire) as well - so overall, including 2003, Cornell has a 4-3 record in NCAA regional games when I attend.  In the NCAA regional games I haven't attended since then (2005, 2006, 2009, 2010), Cornell is 3-4.  That's not exactly a strong correlation.

In other words, don't go rubbing my hair just yet.

So that's a winning record when you attend and a losing record since you stopped attending? Good enough for me. I think you need to go this year.

I agree. The worst case scenario is we get a win when you go and amass a losing record when you're absent. All you have proven really is that your attendance doesn't guarantee a trip to Tampa. You have to go.

Well, I'm sold.  Now all you have to do is pay for my travel expenses to the regionals if we make it - and then convince Barnard College and its wealthy alumna to reschedule the event at her Fisher Island home to which a couple hundred other alumnae have already been invited.

I'm a law student, you're already a lawyer. Shouldn't you be paying for me if anyone is paying for anyone else? Plus, you're doing it for Cornell.

[Beeeej]

But for what it's worth, I haven't made it to the regionals in person since 2003 in Providence anyway, because they've usually been just too damn far away for me to justify the trip when I'm already booked to travel for the Frozen Four.

That's supposed to make us feel better? Hmmmm 2003? Something else happened that year in Cornell hockey.

(Yes, I am implying a superstitious connection between your attendance and Cornell's success).

Too small a sample size.  I was there for our regionals in 1996 (lost to Lake Superior State), 1997 (beat Miami-OH, lost to North Dakota), and 2002 (beat Quinnipiac, lost to New Hampshire) as well - so overall, including 2003, Cornell has a 4-3 record in NCAA regional games when I attend.  In the NCAA regional games I haven't attended since then (2005, 2006, 2009, 2010), Cornell is 3-4.  That's not exactly a strong correlation.

In other words, don't go rubbing my hair just yet.

So that's a winning record when you attend and a losing record since you stopped attending? Good enough for me. I think you need to go this year.

I agree. The worst case scenario is we get a win when you go and amass a losing record when you're absent. All you have proven really is that your attendance doesn't guarantee a trip to Tampa. You have to go.

Well, I'm sold.  Now all you have to do is pay for my travel expenses to the regionals if we make it - and then convince Barnard College and its wealthy alumna to reschedule the event at her Fisher Island home to which a couple hundred other alumnae have already been invited.

I'm a law student, you're already a lawyer. Shouldn't you be paying for me if anyone is paying for anyone else? Plus, you're doing it for Cornell.

It's quite obvious you're still a student, if you're trying to convince me that I'm the valuable commodity in this scenario yet I should be paying for you to attend.

Kyle, what does Adam Smith have to say about this?

[Aaron M. Griffin]

But for what it's worth, I haven't made it to the regionals in person since 2003 in Providence anyway, because they've usually been just too damn far away for me to justify the trip when I'm already booked to travel for the Frozen Four.

That's supposed to make us feel better? Hmmmm 2003? Something else happened that year in Cornell hockey.

(Yes, I am implying a superstitious connection between your attendance and Cornell's success).

Too small a sample size.  I was there for our regionals in 1996 (lost to Lake Superior State), 1997 (beat Miami-OH, lost to North Dakota), and 2002 (beat Quinnipiac, lost to New Hampshire) as well - so overall, including 2003, Cornell has a 4-3 record in NCAA regional games when I attend.  In the NCAA regional games I haven't attended since then (2005, 2006, 2009, 2010), Cornell is 3-4.  That's not exactly a strong correlation.

In other words, don't go rubbing my hair just yet.

So that's a winning record when you attend and a losing record since you stopped attending? Good enough for me. I think you need to go this year.

I agree. The worst case scenario is we get a win when you go and amass a losing record when you're absent. All you have proven really is that your attendance doesn't guarantee a trip to Tampa. You have to go.

Well, I'm sold.  Now all you have to do is pay for my travel expenses to the regionals if we make it - and then convince Barnard College and its wealthy alumna to reschedule the event at her Fisher Island home to which a couple hundred other alumnae have already been invited.

I'm a law student, you're already a lawyer. Shouldn't you be paying for me if anyone is paying for anyone else? Plus, you're doing it for Cornell.

It's quite obvious you're still a student, if you're trying to convince me that I'm the valuable commodity in this scenario yet I should be paying for you to attend.

Kyle, what does Adam Smith have to say about this?

As I implied, we should all pay our own way, but were one to expect any assistant from a fellow Faithful it would be the impoverished law student, not the practicing lawyer, who could expect reasonably for financial assistance in attending. I am not the sole beneficiary of your attendance, so why should I bear the costs alone of benefits in which you would share? I assumed merely that your dedication to Cornell and its hockey program were so great that you wouldn't need financial incentives to motivate you to go, especially in light of the successes that Cornell has while you attend.

;-)

[Beeeej]

But for what it's worth, I haven't made it to the regionals in person since 2003 in Providence anyway, because they've usually been just too damn far away for me to justify the trip when I'm already booked to travel for the Frozen Four.

That's supposed to make us feel better? Hmmmm 2003? Something else happened that year in Cornell hockey.

(Yes, I am implying a superstitious connection between your attendance and Cornell's success).

Too small a sample size.  I was there for our regionals in 1996 (lost to Lake Superior State), 1997 (beat Miami-OH, lost to North Dakota), and 2002 (beat Quinnipiac, lost to New Hampshire) as well - so overall, including 2003, Cornell has a 4-3 record in NCAA regional games when I attend.  In the NCAA regional games I haven't attended since then (2005, 2006, 2009, 2010), Cornell is 3-4.  That's not exactly a strong correlation.

In other words, don't go rubbing my hair just yet.

So that's a winning record when you attend and a losing record since you stopped attending? Good enough for me. I think you need to go this year.

I agree. The worst case scenario is we get a win when you go and amass a losing record when you're absent. All you have proven really is that your attendance doesn't guarantee a trip to Tampa. You have to go.

Well, I'm sold.  Now all you have to do is pay for my travel expenses to the regionals if we make it - and then convince Barnard College and its wealthy alumna to reschedule the event at her Fisher Island home to which a couple hundred other alumnae have already been invited.

I'm a law student, you're already a lawyer. Shouldn't you be paying for me if anyone is paying for anyone else? Plus, you're doing it for Cornell.

It's quite obvious you're still a student, if you're trying to convince me that I'm the valuable commodity in this scenario yet I should be paying for you to attend.

Kyle, what does Adam Smith have to say about this?

As I implied, we should all pay our own way, but were one to expect any assistant from a fellow Faithful it would be the impoverished law student, not the practicing lawyer, who could expect reasonably for financial assistance in attending. I am not the sole beneficiary of your attendance, so why should I bear the costs alone of benefits in which you would share? I assumed merely that your dedication to Cornell and its hockey program were so great that you wouldn't need financial incentives to motivate you to go, especially in light of the successes that Cornell has while you attend.

;-)

Well, then we're in 100% agreement.

Now all you have to do is find a practicing lawyer to offer you financial assistance.  I haven't been one since the day of last year's ECAC semifinals.

::banana::

I still can't unilaterally reschedule a Barnard College event in Florida, though.  Sorry 'bout that.

[Aaron M. Griffin]

But for what it's worth, I haven't made it to the regionals in person since 2003 in Providence anyway, because they've usually been just too damn far away for me to justify the trip when I'm already booked to travel for the Frozen Four.

That's supposed to make us feel better? Hmmmm 2003? Something else happened that year in Cornell hockey.

(Yes, I am implying a superstitious connection between your attendance and Cornell's success).

Too small a sample size.  I was there for our regionals in 1996 (lost to Lake Superior State), 1997 (beat Miami-OH, lost to North Dakota), and 2002 (beat Quinnipiac, lost to New Hampshire) as well - so overall, including 2003, Cornell has a 4-3 record in NCAA regional games when I attend.  In the NCAA regional games I haven't attended since then (2005, 2006, 2009, 2010), Cornell is 3-4.  That's not exactly a strong correlation.

In other words, don't go rubbing my hair just yet.

So that's a winning record when you attend and a losing record since you stopped attending? Good enough for me. I think you need to go this year.

I agree. The worst case scenario is we get a win when you go and amass a losing record when you're absent. All you have proven really is that your attendance doesn't guarantee a trip to Tampa. You have to go.

Well, I'm sold.  Now all you have to do is pay for my travel expenses to the regionals if we make it - and then convince Barnard College and its wealthy alumna to reschedule the event at her Fisher Island home to which a couple hundred other alumnae have already been invited.

I'm a law student, you're already a lawyer. Shouldn't you be paying for me if anyone is paying for anyone else? Plus, you're doing it for Cornell.

It's quite obvious you're still a student, if you're trying to convince me that I'm the valuable commodity in this scenario yet I should be paying for you to attend.

Kyle, what does Adam Smith have to say about this?

As I implied, we should all pay our own way, but were one to expect any assistant from a fellow Faithful it would be the impoverished law student, not the practicing lawyer, who could expect reasonably for financial assistance in attending. I am not the sole beneficiary of your attendance, so why should I bear the costs alone of benefits in which you would share? I assumed merely that your dedication to Cornell and its hockey program were so great that you wouldn't need financial incentives to motivate you to go, especially in light of the successes that Cornell has while you attend.

;-)

Well, then we're in 100% agreement.

Now all you have to do is find a practicing lawyer to offer you financial assistance.  I haven't been one since the day of last year's ECAC semifinals.

::banana::

I still can't unilaterally reschedule a Barnard College event in Florida, though.  Sorry 'bout that.

Everything worked better last year. The ECACs were even on television then.

I know, I just found it funny that the one date you pointed to as the last time you attended happened to coincide with the last time Cornell made the Frozen Four. I will be in AC, but I am only going to travel to NCAA Regionals for Cornell if they play on the East Coast. If they get placed out West, it is The Ocho for me.

[Beeeej]

I know, I just found it funny that the one date you pointed to as the last time you attended happened to coincide with the last time Cornell made the Frozen Four. I will be in AC, but I am only going to travel to NCAA Regionals for Cornell if they play on the East Coast. If they get placed out West, it is The Ocho for me.

One problem with the theory, unfortunately, is that I also attended the Frozen Four in 2003 - so overall, Cornell's record in the NCAA tournament when I attend is 4-4.

I'll actually be more annoyed if Cornell plays in the East or Northeast Regional, for selfish reasons - that I would've been able to go easily if not for this business trip.  But I'd still rather see them stay east for everyone else's sake.

[ajh258]

Instead of looking at extreme scenarios, I did some tinkering and found what is most likely to happen:

If we beat Harvard, we will have the NCAA bid pretty much locked up unless more than 4 or more auto-bids come from outside the top-16. Depending on how the other conference match ups end up, we will get a 3rd or 4th seed (pretty much a toss up) regardless of who we lose to in the championship game.

If we lose to Harvard, but beat Colgate at the consolation, we will get a scenario similar to the one above, except it would be 3 or more auto-bids and more likely a 4th seed.

If we lose to Harvard but beat Union in the consolation, we will have an NCAA bid even if all of the other conference winners are upsets.

If we beat Union at the championship game, we will most likely have a 2nd seed.



In summary, OOC results will only prevent Cornell from getting an NCAA bid in the unlikely even that we lose both match ups at Atlantic City and about half of the OOC results are upsets. Thus, the Cornell hockey team itself is more control of its destiny than other teams, unlike Michigan State, Northern Michigan and Merrimack, who are more "on the bubble" in the traditional sense. Sweeping Dartmouth this weekend really solidified our position as an NCAA-bid contender.

[upprdeck]

this isnt bball where seeding is really huge.. just get in and you have a shot. even an overall one seed and getting the 16 seed in hockey still means there is a solid chance you lose.

[Jim Hyla]

this isnt bball where seeding is really huge.. just get in and you have a shot. even an overall one seed and getting the 16 seed in hockey still means there is a solid chance you lose.

But I'd like to take that chance.::cheer::

[ajh258]

this isnt bball where seeding is really huge.. just get in and you have a shot. even an overall one seed and getting the 16 seed in hockey still means there is a solid chance you lose.

But I'd like to take that chance.::cheer::

Agreed. I don't see how the chances of beating BC or Michigan in first round regionals is close to beating Lowell or Maine. However, I concede that being 2nd or 3rd seed probably doesn't make a huge difference - it's the disparity of 1st and 4th seeds that I want us to avoid.

[adamw]

Using the USCHO PWR predictor ...

Why doth thou smite thee and the 3 Cornell alums active on this board with direct ties to CHN?

::bang::

[Jim Hyla]

Using the USCHO PWR predictor ...

Why doth thou smite thee and the 3 Cornell alums active on this board with direct ties to CHN?

::bang::

Maybe he'll listen to your directness Adam. He disregarded my attempt.:-D

[Trotsky]

Using the USCHO PWR predictor ...

Why doth thou smite thee and the 3 Cornell alums active on this board with direct ties to CHN?

::bang::

I have already apologized offline to John.  

[Jim Hyla]

Using the USCHO PWR predictor ...

Why doth thou smite thee and the 3 Cornell alums active on this board with direct ties to CHN?

::bang::

I have already apologized offline to John.  

Meaning you won't apologize to Adam?::twak::

[Trotsky]

Using the USCHO PWR predictor ...

Why doth thou smite thee and the 3 Cornell alums active on this board with direct ties to CHN?

::bang::

I have already apologized offline to John.  

Meaning you won't apologize to Adam?::twak::

I'm married.  I'll apologize upon request.