Cornell 4 - SLU 3 (ot)

[sjact]

Ithaca Journal says that Schafer benched him for the 3rd period--"it was a stupid penalty", he said.

[Al DeFlorio]

Ithaca Journal says that Schafer benched him for the 3rd period--"it was a stupid penalty", he said.

As was Kary's subsequent high-stick after the buzzer to put the team two men down.

[Beeeej]

I'm pretty sure he got a misconduct.  I remember confirming it with Beeeej that it wasn't a DQ, and him saying that some refs are fond of the DQ, but Feola is less prone to DQ and more likely to just call a misconduct.  

No offense, but I don't remember having that conversation.

[jtwcornell91]

Anyone know why Nicholls was out the 3rd period?  Noticed him at the end of the rink in a suit.  His penalty was only a 5min.

In the NCAA I believe 5 minute majors come with an automatic game misconduct or game disqualification, depending on the type and severity of the penalty. I don't know if Nicholls got a misconduct or a DQ (I seem to remember it being a misconduct), but either way he'd be out for the remainder of the SLU game.

I'm not aware that game misconducts or game DQ's are automatic....But, they did announce that he got a 5 minute major and a game misconduct...Does anyone else know if it's automatic?

"They" did?

Nicholls got a major for boarding. Period. No misconduct, no game misconduct, no disqualification. Just a major for boarding.

So why did he not come out for the third period? Either he was injured, or ...

I'm pretty sure he got a misconduct.  I remember confirming it with Beeeej that it wasn't a DQ, and him saying that some refs are fond of the DQ, but Feola is less prone to DQ and more likely to just call a misconduct.  

And at this point, I'd be surprised if a 5 minute major didn't come with a misconduct.  In fact I think of it as "5 and game" rather than a 5 minute major.

The box score indicates just a major and nothing else:

    STL-4 Bobby Torney (2-Cross-Checking) COR 0x3    14:16 
    STL-5 Matt Raley (2-Roughing)    17:03 
    COR-2 Dan Nicholls (5-Boarding) STL 1x2    17:03 
    COR-3 Armand de Swardt (2-Roughing)    17:03 
 STL     1    -    1     6x5 PP        Kyle Flanagan (10) (Nick Pitsikoulis, Justin Baker)    18:09 

Well, all I can say is he originally went to the box.  There was a discussion with both benches, then the ref skated up and removed him.  Dan then skated off and was replaced in the box.  I forget who served the 5:00 for him.  

They may not have it in the box score, but that seems like an ejection to me.

My guess would be that since he got a non-releasable penalty that
would expire after the end of the period, he was sent to the locker
room like someone who gets a 10-minute misconduct in the last half of
the period.  Note that, according to the box score, de Swardt also got
a minor at the time, so maybe you saw him go to the box?

[Trotsky]

Wouldn't Nicholls have to have been in the box for the first 2:03 of the third?

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Anyone know why Nicholls was out the 3rd period?  Noticed him at the end of the rink in a suit.  His penalty was only a 5min.

In the NCAA I believe 5 minute majors come with an automatic game misconduct or game disqualification, depending on the type and severity of the penalty. I don't know if Nicholls got a misconduct or a DQ (I seem to remember it being a misconduct), but either way he'd be out for the remainder of the SLU game.

I'm not aware that game misconducts or game DQ's are automatic....But, they did announce that he got a 5 minute major and a game misconduct...Does anyone else know if it's automatic?

"They" did?

Nicholls got a major for boarding. Period. No misconduct, no game misconduct, no disqualification. Just a major for boarding.

So why did he not come out for the third period? Either he was injured, or ...

I'm pretty sure he got a misconduct.  I remember confirming it with Beeeej that it wasn't a DQ, and him saying that some refs are fond of the DQ, but Feola is less prone to DQ and more likely to just call a misconduct.  

And at this point, I'd be surprised if a 5 minute major didn't come with a misconduct.  In fact I think of it as "5 and game" rather than a 5 minute major.

The box score indicates just a major and nothing else:

    STL-4 Bobby Torney (2-Cross-Checking) COR 0x3    14:16 
    STL-5 Matt Raley (2-Roughing)    17:03 
    COR-2 Dan Nicholls (5-Boarding) STL 1x2    17:03 
    COR-3 Armand de Swardt (2-Roughing)    17:03 
 STL     1    -    1     6x5 PP        Kyle Flanagan (10) (Nick Pitsikoulis, Justin Baker)    18:09 

Well, all I can say is he originally went to the box.  There was a discussion with both benches, then the ref skated up and removed him.  Dan then skated off and was replaced in the box.  I forget who served the 5:00 for him.  

They may not have it in the box score, but that seems like an ejection to me.

My guess would be that since he got a non-releasable penalty that
would expire after the end of the period, he was sent to the locker
room like someone who gets a 10-minute misconduct in the last half of
the period.  Note that, according to the box score, de Swardt also got
a minor at the time, so maybe you saw him go to the box?

I think you're probably right, John.  I guess I just interpreted his leaving the box as an ejection, rather than simply leaving the ice for the rest of the period.  Because I surely remember thinking right after the hit that it was a dumb penalty that was going to get him tossed.  And when the 5:00 went up on the board...well that was that.  And deSwardt going in for his own minor is probably what I remember as well.  

And Jim, I hadn't realized who ACM was when I read his post, Otherwise, I wouldn't have replied.  I agree that he is THE definite source.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Wouldn't Nicholls have to have been in the box for the first 2:03 of the third?

Or somebody sat for him.

[Trotsky]

Wouldn't Nicholls have to have been in the box for the first 2:03 of the third?

Or somebody sat for him.

What I'm saying is, that's the critical test (not whether he was in the box at the end of the second).

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Wouldn't Nicholls have to have been in the box for the first 2:03 of the third?

Or somebody sat for him.

What I'm saying is, that's the critical test (not whether he was in the box at the end of the second).

Ahh.  Gotcha.  Boy I'm being dense today.

Would I be tempting the wrath of this board by saying I don't remember seeing him in the box and I think somebody sat for him?  ::deadhorse::

[Jim Hyla]

Wouldn't Nicholls have to have been in the box for the first 2:03 of the third?

Or somebody sat for him.

What I'm saying is, that's the critical test (not whether he was in the box at the end of the second).

Ahh.  Gotcha.  Boy I'm being dense today.

Would I be tempting the wrath of this board by saying I don't remember seeing him in the box and I think somebody sat for him?  ::deadhorse::

I'm almost sure DeSwart sat for him at the beginning of the third. Not to start this all over again, but Prof Boyer, who sits 2 rows in front of me, asked me why DeSwart was in the box at the start of the third. So I think that solves the puzzle: 5 min major, no DQ, coach sat him out, and DeSwart got to sit in the box again.

I'm happy coach did that, meaning if he felt it was the right way to give the message, he did it regardless that the team would be shorthanded.

[Tom Lento]

Anyone know why Nicholls was out the 3rd period?  Noticed him at the end of the rink in a suit.  His penalty was only a 5min.

In the NCAA I believe 5 minute majors come with an automatic game misconduct or game disqualification, depending on the type and severity of the penalty. I don't know if Nicholls got a misconduct or a DQ (I seem to remember it being a misconduct), but either way he'd be out for the remainder of the SLU game.

I'm not aware that game misconducts or game DQ's are automatic....But, they did announce that he got a 5 minute major and a game misconduct...Does anyone else know if it's automatic?

"They" did?

Nicholls got a major for boarding. Period. No misconduct, no game misconduct, no disqualification. Just a major for boarding.

So why did he not come out for the third period? Either he was injured, or ...

I'm pretty sure he got a misconduct.  I remember confirming it with Beeeej that it wasn't a DQ, and him saying that some refs are fond of the DQ, but Feola is less prone to DQ and more likely to just call a misconduct.  

And at this point, I'd be surprised if a 5 minute major didn't come with a misconduct.  In fact I think of it as "5 and game" rather than a 5 minute major.

The box score indicates just a major and nothing else:

    STL-4 Bobby Torney (2-Cross-Checking) COR 0x3    14:16 
    STL-5 Matt Raley (2-Roughing)    17:03 
    COR-2 Dan Nicholls (5-Boarding) STL 1x2    17:03 
    COR-3 Armand de Swardt (2-Roughing)    17:03 
 STL     1    -    1     6x5 PP        Kyle Flanagan (10) (Nick Pitsikoulis, Justin Baker)    18:09 

Yeah, and 11 minutes on 4 penalties for Cornell, which makes sense - 3 minors and a major.

There was a box score on cornellbigred.com that had Cornell listed for 19 minutes on 4 penalties, so I assumed there was a misconduct that wasn't listed for some reason. That combined with my fuzzy memory started this whole thing.

But I'm with Jeff - I think of majors as "5 and a game" when I watch college hockey. Interesting that Nicholls didn't get a misconduct for this one.

[BigRedHockeyFan]

Too many penalties in general this season:

http://www.ecachockey.com/men/2010-11/teams?sort=pim&r=1

[Josh '99]

Too many penalties in general this season:

http://www.ecachockey.com/men/2010-11/teams?sort=pim&r=1

Ouch, you aren't kidding.  Good thing the PK continues to be the best in the conference.  Have there been a lot of matching penalties, though?  Or misconducts that bump up the PIM count?  According to collegehockeystats.net we've been shorthanded significantly fewer times than RPI and Clarkson, and slightly fewer than SLU and Yale and Princeton and Colgate.

[jtwcornell91]

Wouldn't Nicholls have to have been in the box for the first 2:03 of the third?

Or somebody sat for him.

What I'm saying is, that's the critical test (not whether he was in the box at the end of the second).

Ahh.  Gotcha.  Boy I'm being dense today.

Would I be tempting the wrath of this board by saying I don't remember seeing him in the box and I think somebody sat for him?  ::deadhorse::

I'm almost sure DeSwart sat for him at the beginning of the third. Not to start this all over again, but Prof Boyer, who sits 2 rows in front of me, asked me why DeSwart was in the box at the start of the third. So I think that solves the puzzle: 5 min major, no DQ, coach sat him out, and DeSwart got to sit in the box again.

It hadn't occurred to me that the rules would allow a coach to do that.  If a player gets injured, I'm sure there must be a provision to have someone else sit his releasable penalty, but I guess there must be something in the rules that allows the penalized team to remove a player from the game and replace him in the penalty box...

[upprdeck]

coach sat him and told the Pbox someone else was sitting his penalty.. he did something stupid and he knows it and the coach made a point that the whole team will think about next time..