Forwards by Position

[Trotsky]

Going by the boxes at collegehockeynews.com, here's the breakdown of the forwards by position so far this year.  I have, no doubt, double-counted somebody somewhere, but I could not find the cumulative data anywhere and, you know, math is hard.

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LW  C RW  PLAYER

15  0  0  Craig
15  1  0  Roeszler
12  0  2  Esposito
11  0  6  Kennedy
11  0  0  de Swardt

 0 17  0  Collins
 0 17  0  Miller
 0 13  4  Mowrey
 4 13  0  Kary

 0  0 17  J. Devin
 0  0 16  Jillson
 0  0 14  Nicholls
 1  0  8  Mihalek

 0  4  4  Axell
 1  0  0  Moulson

 0  2  0  Ross
 0  2  0  Whitney
 0  1  0  M. Devin


[Rita]

Going by the boxes at collegehockeynews.com, here's the breakdown of the forwards by position so far this year.  I have, no doubt, double-counted somebody somewhere, but I could find the cumulative data anywhere.

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LW  C RW  PLAYER
15  0  0  Craig
15  1  0  Roeszler
12  0  2  Esposito
11  0  6  Kennedy
11  0  0  de Swardt

 0 17  0  Collins
 0 17  0  Miller
 0 13  4  Mowrey
 4 13  0  Kary

 0  0 17  J. Devin
 0  0 16  Jillson
 0  0 14  Nicholls
 1  0  8  Mihalek

 0  4  4  Axell
 1  0  0  Moulson

 [b][b][color=#6600CC]0  2  0  Ross
 0  2  0  Whitney
 0  1  0  M. Devin[/color][/b][/b]


I know defensemen sometimes get called upon to play forward, but don't they usually play one of the wings in that case rather than center? Granted, they will know what to do in our defensive zone, but centers are supposed to be able to get up and down the ice quickly. It just struck me as odd.

[cbuckser]

Going by the boxes at collegehockeynews.com, here's the breakdown of the forwards by position so far this year.  I have, no doubt, double-counted somebody somewhere, but I could find the cumulative data anywhere.

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LW  C RW  PLAYER
15  0  0  Craig
15  1  0  Roeszler
12  0  2  Esposito
11  0  6  Kennedy
11  0  0  de Swardt

 0 17  0  Collins
 0 17  0  Miller
 0 13  4  Mowrey
 4 13  0  Kary

 0  0 17  J. Devin
 0  0 16  Jillson
 0  0 14  Nicholls
 1  0  8  Mihalek

 0  4  4  Axell
 1  0  0  Moulson

 [b][b][color=#6600CC]0  2  0  Ross
 0  2  0  Whitney
 0  1  0  M. Devin[/color][/b][/b]


I know defensemen sometimes get called upon to play forward, but don't they usually play one of the wings in that case rather than center? Granted, they will know what to do in our defensive zone, but centers are supposed to be able to get up and down the ice quickly. I just struck me as odd.

Cornell's defensive system makes the transition from defense to center easier.  When Cornell isn't changing on the fly, it plays a modified left-wing lock.  Ordinarily, the three defenders playing behind the two forecheckers are, left to right, the left wing, the left defenseman, and the right defenseman.  This is how Scotty Bowman had the Red Wings playing the left-wing lock in the mid- to late-90s.  Mike Schafer's left-wing lock has a critical alteration to that system.  The two wingers are the forecheckers, and the center lines up to the left of the left defenseman.

[jkahn]

Going by the boxes at collegehockeynews.com, here's the breakdown of the forwards by position so far this year.  I have, no doubt, double-counted somebody somewhere, but I could find the cumulative data anywhere.

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LW  C RW  PLAYER
15  0  0  Craig
15  1  0  Roeszler
12  0  2  Esposito
11  0  6  Kennedy
11  0  0  de Swardt

 0 17  0  Collins
 0 17  0  Miller
 0 13  4  Mowrey
 4 13  0  Kary

 0  0 17  J. Devin
 0  0 16  Jillson
 0  0 14  Nicholls
 1  0  8  Mihalek

 0  4  4  Axell
 1  0  0  Moulson

 [b][b][color=#6600CC]0  2  0  Ross
 0  2  0  Whitney
 0  1  0  M. Devin[/color][/b][/b]


I know defensemen sometimes get called upon to play forward, but don't they usually play one of the wings in that case rather than center? Granted, they will know what to do in our defensive zone, but centers are supposed to be able to get up and down the ice quickly. I just struck me as odd.

Cornell's defensive system makes the transition from defense to center easier.  When Cornell isn't changing on the fly, it plays a modified left-wing lock.  Ordinarily, the three defenders playing behind the two forecheckers are, left to right, the left wing, the left defenseman, and the right defenseman.  This is how Scotty Bowman had the Red Wings playing the left-wing lock in the mid- to late-90s.  Mike Schafer's left-wing lock has a critical alteration to that system.  The two wingers are the forecheckers, and the center lines up to the left of the left defenseman.

I don't know how accurate some of these boxes are.  For instance, in the first game in Florida, Mike Devin was the d-man who got time at forward, and it was all at right wing.  Whitney is listed as a center, but Devin was the one who played forward, although he also took shifts a defense.  Whitney and Ross do seem to be used more at center when they do play forward though.

[Trotsky]

I don't know how accurate some of these boxes are.  For instance, in the first game in Florida, Mike Devin was the d-man who got time at forward, and it was all at right wing.  Whitney is listed as a center, but Devin was the one who played forward, although he also took shifts a defense.  Whitney and Ross do seem to be used more at center when they do play forward though.

I appreciate that, but it's the only data I have.  I'm sure there are cases where we were really playing 7 D and twisting lines around, and the listed fourth line center was just a convention and not playing there at all.

I'm mostly interested here and elsewhere in trying to replace the generic "F" with the position a guy tends to play an overwhelming amount of time, and I don't think it's too tenuous because there are decisive tendencies for most players.  Guys with SSS are of course wait and see, and the defensemen are just included for thoroughness.

I'm sure it's also the case that there are guys who can be either centers or one wing but because of current roster configuration are forced off one slot because they are paired with a better guy who is a natural there.  If the linemate graduated then he might move to the other position.

All in fun as a mid-week exercise while waiting for Colgate, not meant to be definitive.

I was debating whether there's any value tabulating LD vs RD.  Opinions?

[Trotsky]

2009-10

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LW  C RW  Player

34  0  0  Greening
32  0  2  Scali
15 12  0  Miller

 0 34  0  Collins
 0 34  0  Gallagher
 0 30  0  R. Nash
11 16  1  Roeszler

 1  0 33  J. Devin
 8  0 25  Jillson
 0  2 24  Nicholls
11  0 20  Esposito
11  0 19  P. Kennedy

 0  1  9  Axell
 5  0  0  Kary
 5  0  0  Moulson

 3  5  3  Whitney
 0  2  0  Ross


[Trotsky]

2008-09

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LW  C RW  Player

36  0  0  Greening
30  0  0  Scali
23  2  7  Collins
22  0  9  P. Kennedy
12  8  0  Roeszler

 0 36  0  R. Nash
 0 32  0  M. Kennedy
 0 30  6  Gallagher
 8 20  3  Mugford
 2 17  2  Punches

 3  0 32  Barlow
 0  0 30  Jillson
 0  0 25  J. Devin
 0  0 23  Nicholls

 7  0  6  Kary

 1  0  0  Ta. Davenport


[Trotsky]

2007-08

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LW  C RW  Player

36  0  0  Greening
34  0  0  Scali
30  3  3  Scott
17  0 17  P. Kennedy

 0 36  0  R. Nash
 0 33  0  M. Kennedy
 0 33  2  Gallagher
 1 31  0  Fontas

 0  0 35  Sawada
 0  0 23  J. Devin
 0  0 22  Nicholls
10  0 22  Barlow

 8  7 17  Mugford
 7  0  2  Roeszler

 1  1  0  Ta. Davenport
 0  0  1  Johnston