Cornell - Colgate football

[Towerroad]

Meaning no disrespect to Ned, my dad '51 was a friend of his, but I don't thing looking for another Ned Harkness is the answer. Ned recruited heavily in Canada when the rest of the league did not. He was a visionary in that respect but I don't think there is a large pool of untapped football talent that will allow his doppelganger to tap and steal a march on the rest of the Ivy League.

[RedDog]

Of the last five, Penn will obviously be the toughest game, especially if we have any more injuries AND if they don't grab a W somewhere along the line.....but I'm not sure Penn is nearly the team they've been in the past.....bottom line, if a team runs the ball well, we're in big trouble....

[Al DeFlorio]

Meaning no disrespect to Ned, my dad '51 was a friend of his, but I don't thing looking for another Ned Harkness is the answer. Ned recruited heavily in Canada when the rest of the league did not. He was a visionary in that respect but I don't think there is a large pool of untapped football talent that will allow his doppelganger to tap and steal a march on the rest of the Ivy League.

Ned took a 4-7 lacrosse team, and without help from any recruiting on his part (freshmen were ineligible) turned them into a 12-0 team the following year.  If you think Ned's success came solely from recruiting, you simply don't understand.

[Jim Hyla]

Meaning no disrespect to Ned, my dad '51 was a friend of his, but I don't thing looking for another Ned Harkness is the answer. Ned recruited heavily in Canada when the rest of the league did not. He was a visionary in that respect but I don't think there is a large pool of untapped football talent that will allow his doppelganger to tap and steal a march on the rest of the Ivy League.

Ned took a 4-7 lacrosse team, and without help from any recruiting on his part (freshmen were ineligible) turned them into a 12-0 team the following year.  If you think Ned's success came solely from recruiting, you simply don't understand.

And Ned competed in more than the Ivy League. He was competitive nationally, and aside from the notable exceptions of BC and Minnesota, the NCAA teams accepted Canadians.

[Hillel Hoffmann]

Meaning no disrespect to Ned, my dad '51 was a friend of his, but I don't thing looking for another Ned Harkness is the answer. Ned recruited heavily in Canada when the rest of the league did not. He was a visionary in that respect but I don't think there is a large pool of untapped football talent that will allow his doppelganger to tap and steal a march on the rest of the Ivy League.

Ned took a 4-7 lacrosse team, and without help from any recruiting on his part (freshmen were ineligible) turned them into a 12-0 team the following year.  If you think Ned's success came solely from recruiting, you simply don't understand.

Agreed. If you talk to some of the guys who played during that transitional time, they attribute a lot of the turnaround to attitude-bending cultural changes. One small example: A total freak for order, Ned insisted that the equipment staff lay out all the gear and attire in the locker room neatly in front of each locker -- every little thing, down to the socks.

[George64]

Actually, Ned recruited (coerced?) his hockey All-American defenseman, Harry Orr, to play Lacrosse in his Junior year (Ned's first as coach.)  Orr had a wicked sidearm shot and scored 16 goals as a midfielder.

[Al DeFlorio]

Meaning no disrespect to Ned, my dad '51 was a friend of his, but I don't thing looking for another Ned Harkness is the answer. Ned recruited heavily in Canada when the rest of the league did not. He was a visionary in that respect but I don't think there is a large pool of untapped football talent that will allow his doppelganger to tap and steal a march on the rest of the Ivy League.

Ned took a 4-7 lacrosse team, and without help from any recruiting on his part (freshmen were ineligible) turned them into a 12-0 team the following year.  If you think Ned's success came solely from recruiting, you simply don't understand.

And Ned competed in more than the Ivy League. He was competitive nationally, and aside from the notable exceptions of BC and Minnesota, the NCAA teams accepted Canadians.

Right.  What's more, Canadian players (e.g., Steve Kijanka, Rudy Mateka, Jerry Kostandoff, Laing Kennedy) were at the core of Cornell's pre-Ned hockey teams.  It wasn't like he achieved some kind of revolutionary innovation by recruiting in Canada.

[Trotsky]

we lost to Colgate 7-60 in 1983.

This was the only Cornell football game I saw as an undergrad.  By the end, the Cornell part of the crowd was cheering for Colgate to score more.

[scoop85]

we lost to Colgate 7-60 in 1983.

This was the only Cornell football game I saw as an undergrad.  By the end, the Cornell part of the crowd was cheering for Colgate to score more.

That Colgate team had a QB named Steve Calabria who was touted as a pro, but never made it to the NFL as far as I know

[billhoward]

One small piece of good news is that Colgate is off the schedule as of 2012, to be replaced by Monmouth College, who opened this season by losing 27-7 to Wartburg.

Our luck next year depends on whether it's Division III Monmouth College http://www.monm.edu/athletics/schedules/fall2010.aspx#football in Illinois which fell to Wartburg or Monmouth University http://www.gomuhawks.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=14300&SPID=7664&SPSID=67818 in NJ which opened with a one-point loss to Colgate. If it's Monmouth U, Cornell trades a potentially lopsided loss to a longstanding opponent with some gate appeal ... to a less-known entitity and the same potential for a bad ending. We've got to hope that the team starts to make its upward climb next year. The Cornell football 2012 schedule does link to Monmouth College: http://www.cornellbigred.com/schedule.aspx?path=&schedule=495. It says we play Fordham (away), Monmouth, and Bucknell, plus the seven Ivy opponnents.

Meanwhile, we make up for the loss of Colgate in football by scheduling them three times in hockey this year, including Thanksgiving Saturday at the Prudential Center?

[Jordan 04]

we lost to Colgate 7-60 in 1983.

This was the only Cornell football game I saw as an undergrad.  By the end, the Cornell part of the crowd was cheering for Colgate to score more.

At the next game, they must have had some stern letters waiting for them from the Anaphoric Society.

[Al DeFlorio]

One small piece of good news is that Colgate is off the schedule as of 2012, to be replaced by Monmouth College, who opened this season by losing 27-7 to Wartburg.

Our luck next year depends on whether it's Division III Monmouth College http://www.monm.edu/athletics/schedules/fall2010.aspx#football in Illinois which fell to Wartburg or Monmouth University http://www.gomuhawks.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=14300&SPID=7664&SPSID=67818 in NJ which opened with a one-point loss to Colgate. If it's Monmouth U, Cornell trades a potentially lopsided loss to a longstanding opponent with some gate appeal ... to a less-known entitity and the same potential for a bad ending. We've got to hope that the team starts to make its upward climb next year. The Cornell football 2012 schedule does link to Monmouth College: http://www.cornellbigred.com/schedule.aspx?path=&schedule=495. It says we play Fordham (away), Monmouth, and Bucknell, plus the seven Ivy opponnents.

Meanwhile, we make up for the loss of Colgate in football by scheduling them three times in hockey this year, including Thanksgiving Saturday at the Prudential Center?

The logo on the Cornell schedule also says "Fighting Scots."  Of course, it is the cornellbigred.com web site, so, who knows?

[TimV]

Towerroad - keep your feelthy keyboard away from Ned - or Jim, Al and I will be forced to continue to slap you.:-}

[TimV]

I think it was more underhand than sidearm - kinda like a slapshot from the point.  He hit a Dartmouth goaltender in the ankle with it and took him out of the game on old Lower Alumni Field.  The grass still won't grow along the tracks of his shots there, that building notwithstanding.

[Trotsky]

I assume it's Monmouth, NJ, alma mater of one of the Jersey Shore cast, IINM.  (Or it might have been the girlfriend in "Clerks." )