UAH and CCHA - opinion

[Jim Hyla]

Hope PSU isn't planning to steal another Cornell coach for its hockey program.

just what I was thinking ...

I'm more concerned about the giant Jock Factory athletic dept's of the huge state schools edging the hockey world closer towards the state of football & basketball...and leaving non-scholarship & small schools unable to compete.

Agree - and an upstart Jock Factory like PSU hiring a coach away from a school like Cornell would be a definitive symptom of that disease.  All it takes is money.  They have it, and we don't.

I wouldn't go so far as to say we don' have the money. I look at it as we would rather put our money in other places, that is in education. And no I'm not implying that you didn't know that:-}, but if he gave close to $100 million for hockey, I wonder how much he gave for education.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

I would have to hope, that unlike Tambroni and Donahue, who weren't Cornell alumni, Schafer is more likely to stay at Cornell rather than get poached to another DI program.  Espcially considering his focus on the traditions and history of Cornell hockey, you'd expect that his emotional connection to Cornell is stronger than someone who didn't attend.

Do we have a "fingers crossed" smiley?

[cu722001]

http://www.centredaily.com/2010/09/17/2215021/psu-to-add-ice-hockey.html

What about CU quitting Ivy hockey/ECAC?  Try to form an NY/PA league equivalent to Hockey East.  Plenty of good schools comparable to us in many ways.

Or just bag it and go Div III.

[Robb]

Hope PSU isn't planning to steal another Cornell coach for its hockey program.

just what I was thinking ...

I'm more concerned about the giant Jock Factory athletic dept's of the huge state schools edging the hockey world closer towards the state of football & basketball...and leaving non-scholarship & small schools unable to compete.

Agree - and an upstart Jock Factory like PSU hiring a coach away from a school like Cornell would be a definitive symptom of that disease.  All it takes is money.  They have it, and we don't.

I wouldn't go so far as to say we don' have the money. I look at it as we would rather put our money in other places, that is in education. And no I'm not implying that you didn't know that:-}, but if he gave close to $100 million for hockey, I wonder how much he gave for education.

Of course - poor phrasing on my part.  WE have the money, but our Athletic Department does not.  

[Trotsky]

an upstart Jock Factory like PSU hiring a coach away from a school like Cornell would be a definitive symptom of that disease.  All it takes is money.  They have it, and we don't.

I'd think they are more likely to poach a CCHA coach familiar with recruiting to their academic profile (or lack of one).

I worry about Schafer accepting an NHL associate coaching position, not going to another college.

[judy]

So in the end, UAH is still screwed, right?

[Robb]

So in the end, UAH is still screwed, right?

Probably.  It would seem that if the BTHC happens, there should be room in either the WCHA or the CCHA for them, but the problem is that without their meal ticket schools, the remaining schools might be even more concerned about adding the travel costs to Huntsville every year.

[Trotsky]

So in the end, UAH is still screwed, right?

Probably.  It would seem that if the BTHC happens, there should be room in either the WCHA or the CCHA for them, but the problem is that without their meal ticket schools, the remaining schools might be even more concerned about adding the travel costs to Huntsville every year.

If they wanted to save net travel, the CCHA could always kick out Alaska and admit PSU and UAH as a pair.  Have a west coast min-conference conference including the 2 Alaska schools, UBC, Simon Fraser.  We could finally see whether Cornell fans would travel to Vladivostok.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

I don't think they have a team here yet.

But I'd go if I could get a visa.

[Trotsky]

I don't think they have a team here yet.

But I'd go if I could get a visa.

There's a rink, though, and it's no worse than Union's.  (Warning: accompanying music is pig swill, mute with extreme prejudice.)

[peterg]

New York Times reporting Penn State will begin D-1 men's and women's hockehy programs in the 2012-2013 season.

NY Times

[Jim Hyla]

Further info about possible Big Ten Conference from The Grand Forks Herald.

Interesting quote about PSU's Women's team.

The Big Ten's women's programs at Minnesota, Wisconsin and Ohio State would not be affected. Those schools will stay in the WCHA, and Penn State likely will join a conference that makes more geographical sense, such as Hockey East or the Eastern College Athletic Conference.

[Trotsky]

Further info about possible Big Ten Conference from The Grand Forks Herald.

Makes it sounds like a fait accompli in 2014-15.


BTHC (6)

Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Penn State

WCHA (10)

Minnesota-Duluth
Mankato
North Dakota
Denver
UNO
Michigan Tech
Colorado College
St. Cloud
Alaska-Anchorage
Bemidji

CCHA (

Miami
Notre Dame
Alaska
Northern Michigan
Ferris
Lake Superior
Western Michigan
Bowling Green

[Give My Regards]

though the Big Ten's 11 schools

It's been 20 years, and this still cracks me up.

But on a hockey-related note... back when the MAAC (predecessor to Atlantic Hockey) was created, the NCAA had a two-year waiting period that new D1 conferences had to go through before teams from that conference would be eligible for the NCAA tournament.  (This may have been a hockey-only rule, I'm not sure)  The late-lamented CHA was created a year or two (?) after the MAAC, but in the interim, IIRC, the NCAA increased this waiting period to eight years.  I remember a great deal of weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth before it was determined somehow (grandfathered in?) that the CHA would only have to wait two years.  I'm wondering if the prospective BTHC would have an eight-year wait.  Given that at least most of the five other schools that would be in the BTHC are frequent tourney-qualifiers, I would guess that if this rule exists, the BTHC would find a way around it.  It would probably be considered a "re-shuffling" rather than a for-real new conference.

[KeithK]

Do you really have to ask? If the B10,er12HC forms they will request and immediately be granted a waiver of the NCAA rule. I can't say what wording they'll put in for a justification but I'm confident that it will happen.