Cornell - Yale Lax

[billhoward]

Princeton wins 11-10 in OT

This could have been insurance if we lost one and beat Princeton. Of course, the Ivy playoff decides it.

[DeltaOne81]

Princeton wins 11-10 in OT

This could have been insurance if we lost one and beat Princeton. Of course, the Ivy playoff decides it.

I believe the Ivy playoff decides nothing.

[Al DeFlorio]

Princeton wins 11-10 in OT

This could have been insurance if we lost one and beat Princeton. Of course, the Ivy playoff decides it.

I believe the Ivy playoff decides nothing.

I'm pretty sure it decides who gets the automatic NCAA bid.

http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2009/01/22/ivy-league-lacrosse-adopts-playoff-format

[DeltaOne81]

Hmmm, I thought I remembered when they came up with it, that it was just 'for show'. I guess they changed their mind. Or I've lost mine.

[Al DeFlorio]

Hmmm, I thought I remembered when they came up with it, that it was just 'for show'. I guess they changed their mind. Or I've lost mine.

No, whoever dreamed this up lost his...or theirs.  The regular season winner is the Ivy League champion, but the tournament winner gets the auto-bid to the NCAAs.  Lame attempt to get more teams into the NCAAs, I guess, thinking the regular season winner's record would be good enough for an at-large.

[semsox]

Lame attempt to get more teams into the NCAAs, I guess, thinking the regular season winner's record would be good enough for an at-large.

Seems a pretty obvious way to game the system since the committee uses RPI/SOS as the predominant measure to seed.  Let's just say, I don't think we're a 4 seed in 2007 with an Ivy Tourney....

[Al DeFlorio]

Lame attempt to get more teams into the NCAAs, I guess, thinking the regular season winner's record would be good enough for an at-large.

Seems a pretty obvious way to game the system since the committee uses RPI/SOS as the predominant measure to seed.  Let's just say, I don't think we're a 4 seed in 2007 with an Ivy Tourney....

I do.  One other Ivy team made the tournament:  Princeton.  And they were unseeded.  I don't recall the fourth place Ivy team, but another game against them and then Princeton--assuming Cornell won both--would likely have changed little.  The NCAA committee is getting smarter.  They learned from 2007.  Last year Hopkins was #4 in RPI and #1 in SOS and was seeded eighth.  Loyola was #9 in RPI and #3 in SOS and was left out.

[semsox]

Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games.  Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams.  Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

[Al DeFlorio]

Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games.  Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams.  Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

I'd rather see us try to schedule another top-tier non-Ivy than play two more games against Ivy teams.

[semsox]

Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games.  Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams.  Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

I'd rather see us try to schedule another top-tier non-Ivy than play two more games against Ivy teams.

Agree 100%, but as we both know it takes two to tango.  There's not exactly a ton of teams clamoring for a home and home so they can travel up to Ithaca.  It's why I have such respect for Virginia doing it.

[ugarte]

Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games.  Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams.  Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

I'd rather see us try to schedule another top-tier non-Ivy than play two more games against Ivy teams.

It isn't entirely our call, unfortunately.

[Al DeFlorio]

Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games.  Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams.  Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

I'd rather see us try to schedule another top-tier non-Ivy than play two more games against Ivy teams.

It isn't entirely our call, unfortunately.

Trying isn't "our call?"  What's unfortunate is we've now tied up two more games against Ivies, assuming we finish top four, that is.  That makes eight out of fifteen games on our schedule against Ivy teams.  Sorry, but I don't like that one bit.

[ugarte]

Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games.  Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams.  Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

I'd rather see us try to schedule another top-tier non-Ivy than play two more games against Ivy teams.

It isn't entirely our call, unfortunately.

Trying isn't "our call?"  What's unfortunate is we've now tied up two more games against Ivies, assuming we finish top four, that is.  That makes eight out of fifteen games on our schedule against Ivy teams.  Sorry, but I don't like that one bit.

That assumes that Cornell isn't trying; I was sure that you didn't mean that.

[Al DeFlorio]

Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games.  Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams.  Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

I'd rather see us try to schedule another top-tier non-Ivy than play two more games against Ivy teams.

It isn't entirely our call, unfortunately.

Trying isn't "our call?"  What's unfortunate is we've now tied up two more games against Ivies, assuming we finish top four, that is.  That makes eight out of fifteen games on our schedule against Ivy teams.  Sorry, but I don't like that one bit.

That assumes that Cornell isn't trying; I was sure that you didn't mean that.

To be clear:  I'd rather have kept trying than play Brown, Harvard, and/or Princeton a second time, and possibly have more than half our games against Ivy teams.  There are other "northern" teams we could try with:  UMass, Hofstra, Albany (not strong this year but certainly have been), Bucknell, Drexel.  But we're stuck now with the redundant Ivy playoff.  My opinion is it's stupid.  Yours may differ.

[Josh '99]

Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games.

That's not entirely true, guys could get hurt.