You Are the Committee

mnagowski · March 15, 2010, 02:37:18 PM

Quote from: mikek
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82So far I haven't found a combination where we don't make it if we win at least 1 game.

FWIW

Found ~~one~~ a bunch where if we beat Brown and lose to Union we would be out (one example below puts us at #15)... we don't want Maine anywhere near the HEA final, Ferris winning seems to be better than N. Mich. Playing St. Lawrence in the final (or consy) is a lot better for us because a loss to Union is costing us 3 or 4 comparisons due to TUC record.

Interesting thought: Would a win against Union hurt us were it not for the AQ? It would switch our TUC on, right?

mikek · March 15, 2010, 03:19:10 PM

Quote from: mnagowskiInteresting thought: Would a win against Union hurt us were it not for the AQ? It would switch our TUC on, right?

Not really, as a win puts at .500 instead of .400 with a loss. Most of the teams that we would lose this comparison to that matter have records between .400 and .500. UMD would have to win out to have a TUC record > .500 which would give them a higher RPI than us anyway. Vermont could also have a TUC record > .500 but then we would beat BC in the TUC comparison so that evens out.

mikek · March 15, 2010, 08:40:59 PM

Some more thoughts:

We want RIT to win its semifinal so that UMass/Northeastern can't become a TUC (we lose that comparison to UMass if we lose to Union and it helps other HEA teams win the TUC against us I believe).

We want NoDak to beat UMD (which would give us the comparison against UMD if we beat Brown)

If those 2 things happen and we beat Brown I can't find a scenario where we don't get it.

Edit: Actually I can't find a scenario where NoDak beats UMD and we beat Brown that we don't make it... regardless of what RIT does.

sockralex · March 16, 2010, 08:24:32 AM

This isn't going to help North Dakota's chances... http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,18404/WCHASuspendsNorthDakotasFrattinforHit.html

"The WCHA suspended North Dakota's Matt Frattin late Monday for the forward's hit on Minnesota's Kevin Wehrs on Sunday."

Jim Hyla · March 16, 2010, 08:44:38 AM

Quote from: sockralexThis isn't going to help North Dakota's chances... http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,18404/WCHASuspendsNorthDakotasFrattinforHit.html

"The WCHA suspended North Dakota's Matt Frattin late Monday for the forward's hit on Minnesota's Kevin Wehrs on Sunday."

This is what he was doing before:

Quote from: USCHOFeb. 4 — North Dakota forward Matt Frattin has been acquitted on drunk driving charges, the Grand Forks Herald reported.

A jury of six Grand Forks County (N.D.) residents delivered a not guilty verdict after less than 30 minutes of deliberation on Tuesday, the newspaper reported.

Frattin, a junior, was dismissed from the team in August for what was called a violation of team rules. That move came after he was arrested and charged with driving under the influence.

Frattin was reinstated to the team in late December.

The Grand Forks Herald reported that Frattin was pulled over by campus police in the early morning hours of Aug. 19, and a test at the police station recorded his blood-alcohol level at .12 percent. The legal limit in North Dakota is .08 percent.--

Innocent till proven guilty, but I should go back and see how he got acquitted.

upperdeck · March 16, 2010, 04:00:37 PM

it was a nasty hit.. but ND was getting away with murder from the 2nd period on.. Minn was getting hosed.

ryeguy · March 16, 2010, 04:33:49 PM

Quote from: upperdeckit was a nasty hit.. but ND was getting away with murder from the 2nd period on.. Minn was getting hosed.

Here is the hit, if some one hasn't seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX6wqVuAQ6w

andyw2100 · March 16, 2010, 04:53:03 PM

Gotta love the goalie going after Frattin. Minnesota was lucky there wasn't a penalty called on him. It looked like he blatantly hit Frattin in the back of the head with his stick.

Trotsky · March 16, 2010, 04:54:39 PM

Jeez. That's dirty in any league.

KeithK · March 16, 2010, 05:02:33 PM

Quote from: TrotskyJeez. That's dirty in any league.

Meh. If it was in open ice that would just be a garden variety charging penalty IMO. It's the proximity to the boards that elevates it into the danger zone.

Jim Hyla · March 16, 2010, 05:53:29 PM

Quote from: KeithK
Quote from: TrotskyJeez. That's dirty in any league.
Meh. If it was in open ice that would just be a garden variety charging penalty IMO. It's the proximity to the boards that elevates it into the danger zone.

I think wherever that was it's a major, at least I hope so. Rule 6-8 is no contact to the head or neck of any manner. He also left his feet. I think that's enough to be tossed from the game. To me it's worse than hitting from behind and tossed.

You notice how the announcers said nothing about the hit, just talked about how neither coach was happy, etc.

kingpin248 · March 17, 2010, 12:22:26 AM

Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: KeithK
Quote from: TrotskyJeez. That's dirty in any league.
Meh. If it was in open ice that would just be a garden variety charging penalty IMO. It's the proximity to the boards that elevates it into the danger zone.
I think wherever that was it's a major, at least I hope so. Rule 6-8 is no contact to the head or neck of any manner. He also left his feet. I think that's enough to be tossed from the game. To me it's worse than hitting from behind and tossed.

You notice how the announcers said nothing about the hit, just talked about how neither coach was happy, etc.

Here's the boxscore. Frattin got 5 for contact to the head but was not tossed.

Scersk '97 · March 17, 2010, 12:45:50 PM

Meh. The Minnesota player was already leaning backwards, making the hit happen higher and look rougher than it was otherwise.

sockralex · March 17, 2010, 01:06:25 PM

I wouldn't be happy if I saw one of our guys get rattled next to the glass like that.

People were saying similar things about an RPI hit on one of the Cornell player's @ RPI last year. There was a couple of seconds left in the game and our player was skating with the puck heading towards the back of the net when the RPI player checked him and sent him into the boards. It looked dirty to me. A lot of RPI people were saying he was off balance and already close to the boards so it looked worse than it was and shouldn't have been a DQ. Either way, our guy was injured and the RPI player got a game DQ.

Clearly my memory is fuzzy on who did the hitting and who got hurt, but I do remember it resulting in a similar argument about how much responsibility should be on the person who got hit.

amerks127 · March 17, 2010, 01:19:10 PM

Quote from: sockralexI wouldn't be happy if I saw one of our guys get rattled next to the glass like that.

People were saying similar things about an RPI hit on one of the Cornell player's @ RPI last year. There was a couple of seconds left in the game and our player was skating with the puck heading towards the back of the net when the RPI player checked him and sent him into the boards. It looked dirty to me. A lot of RPI people were saying he was off balance and already close to the boards so it looked worse than it was and shouldn't have been a DQ. Either way, our guy was injured and the RPI player got a game DQ.

Clearly my memory is fuzzy on who did the hitting and who got hurt, but I do remember it resulting in a similar argument about how much responsibility should be on the person who got hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PnJ-KfBIkw

Burgdoerfer hit Taylor Davenport. Gotta love the team reaction.