Rebecca Johnston - Cornell Hero

[tretiak]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/longterm/olympics1998/sport/hockey/articles/trash20.htm

By bringing up the Nagano incident, you are comparing them. Additionally, I don't think you remember the Nagano incident correctly. The American hockey players were celebrating getting eliminated and not medaling? ::wtf:: They got drunk and trashed a room because they were pissed. Alcohol doesn't make something a celebration.

Then, you have the Canadian women celebrating a gold medal by drinking. How exactly could it have gotten out of hand - was Rebecca Johnston going to get a DUI for driving the zamboni? Were the women going to one-up Brandi Chastain and have sex on the ice?

[ugarte]

Wow, even Roy Williams (the UNC coach) thinks this is an over-exaggeration. You're seriously trying to compare the US men's hockey team trashing a hotel room because they were sore losers to a couple of girls celebrating a gold medal? There was no property damage, no injuries, just hockey players having fun. I guess this is a generational gap thing because what the girls did is one of the coolest things ever. They just won a gold medal in their home country - they have every right to go batshit insane. Ugarte summed it up perfectly.

I wasn't comparing them, that's why I said "While this was not as bad". I was just pointing out that celebrations can get out of hand.

As to whether they have every right, that's not up to us to say, as we don't employ them.

Here's the thing, Jim: They didn't do anything wrong. AT ALL. Not "what they did wasn't a big deal" or "other people have done worse": They did nothing wrong. After a win, they went back into an EMPTY arena and had a bit of fun. Zeroing in on the incredibly minor drinking age violation - a difference of Provincial law, not "morals" - says a lot more about the "zeroer" [sic] than it does about her. This controversy is almost as stupid as Scotty Lago getting sent home for partying at a club with his medal on. And only because there haven't actually been any repercussions yet. As soon as there are, this zooms straight to the gold in the fake-controversy Olympics.

The Olympics has a disproportionate sense of its own solemnity. There is no reason that the rest of the world has to jump on board. Casting ANY blame on the women of the Canadian hockey team buys into that bullshit.

I can't believe I came back to this thread. And I can't believe that I probably will again.

[Towerroad]

I agree the IOC should take the stick out. If they want to punish the team then the doddering old fools should put on skates and embarrass the Canadian Women at their own game. I would pay real good money to see that.

The IOC is just trying to protect its commercial interests that is all. I will raise a beer to the Canadian women tonight and a finger to the IOC.

[Jim Hyla]

I understand there are a lot of libertarians here who think you can do what you want, as long as you don't harm others. I tend to agree, but not when you're employed by someone. Then you need to follow their guidelines. What the Canadian OC rules are I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me that they have a statement pertaining to this. Look we've all done stupid things and I consider this to be that. So what.

And yes I do know they that Nagano was after a loss, and yes it was also trashing, and so yes maybe my "comparison" was too strong. So now can you all just go have a beer and let the Canadians handle this. They are their employer.

[KeithK]

Then, you have the Canadian women celebrating a gold medal by drinking. How exactly could it have gotten out of hand - was Rebecca Johnston going to get a DUI for driving the zamboni?

Technically driving the zamboni while intoxicated is probably a criminal offense.  If she was actually drunk then it would be dangerous. Alcohol and operating heavy machinery don't mix.

[Rita]

Then, you have the Canadian women celebrating a gold medal by drinking. How exactly could it have gotten out of hand - was Rebecca Johnston going to get a DUI for driving the zamboni?

Technically driving the zamboni while intoxicated is probably a criminal offense.  If she was actually drunk then it would be dangerous. Alcohol and operating heavy machinery don't mix.

Well it isn't like she took it out on the streets in order to get a burger to go along with that beer (http://boiseguardian.com/2006/11/21/zamboni-joy-riders-fired/).

In Canada, is a zamboni considered a vehicle?

[Jim Hyla]

Wow, even Roy Williams (the UNC coach) thinks this is an over-exaggeration. You're seriously trying to compare the US men's hockey team trashing a hotel room because they were sore losers to a couple of girls celebrating a gold medal? There was no property damage, no injuries, just hockey players having fun. I guess this is a generational gap thing because what the girls did is one of the coolest things ever. They just won a gold medal in their home country - they have every right to go batshit insane. Ugarte summed it up perfectly.

I wasn't comparing them, that's why I said "While this was not as bad". I was just pointing out that celebrations can get out of hand.

As to whether they have every right, that's not up to us to say, as we don't employ them.

Here's the thing, Jim: They didn't do anything wrong. AT ALL. Not "what they did wasn't a big deal" or "other people have done worse": They did nothing wrong. After a win, they went back into an EMPTY arena and had a bit of fun. Zeroing in on the incredibly minor drinking age violation - a difference of Provincial law, not "morals" - says a lot more about the "zeroer" [sic] than it does about her. This controversy is almost as stupid as Scotty Lago getting sent home for partying at a club with his medal on. And only because there haven't actually been any repercussions yet. As soon as there are, this zooms straight to the gold in the fake-controversy Olympics.

The Olympics has a disproportionate sense of its own solemnity. There is no reason that the rest of the world has to jump on board. Casting ANY blame on the women of the Canadian hockey team buys into that bullshit.

I can't believe I came back to this thread. And I can't believe that I probably will again.

Whether they did anything wrong is not for us to say, we don't employ them. When Michael Phelps smoked pot I didn't think he did anything wrong, but his employers did. Tiger didn't do anything wrong, legally as far as we know, but his employers did. So they have a right to do what's in the contract; I don't know what is in there, neither do any of the rest of you.

Come back under threat of .::deadhorse::

[Trotsky]

In Canada, is a zamboni considered a vehicle?

In Canada, a zamboni is considered a marital aid.

[ugarte]

Wow, even Roy Williams (the UNC coach) thinks this is an over-exaggeration. You're seriously trying to compare the US men's hockey team trashing a hotel room because they were sore losers to a couple of girls celebrating a gold medal? There was no property damage, no injuries, just hockey players having fun. I guess this is a generational gap thing because what the girls did is one of the coolest things ever. They just won a gold medal in their home country - they have every right to go batshit insane. Ugarte summed it up perfectly.

I wasn't comparing them, that's why I said "While this was not as bad". I was just pointing out that celebrations can get out of hand.

As to whether they have every right, that's not up to us to say, as we don't employ them.

Here's the thing, Jim: They didn't do anything wrong. AT ALL. Not "what they did wasn't a big deal" or "other people have done worse": They did nothing wrong. After a win, they went back into an EMPTY arena and had a bit of fun. Zeroing in on the incredibly minor drinking age violation - a difference of Provincial law, not "morals" - says a lot more about the "zeroer" [sic] than it does about her. This controversy is almost as stupid as Scotty Lago getting sent home for partying at a club with his medal on. And only because there haven't actually been any repercussions yet. As soon as there are, this zooms straight to the gold in the fake-controversy Olympics.

The Olympics has a disproportionate sense of its own solemnity. There is no reason that the rest of the world has to jump on board. Casting ANY blame on the women of the Canadian hockey team buys into that bullshit.

I can't believe I came back to this thread. And I can't believe that I probably will again.

Whether they did anything wrong is not for us to say, we don't employ them. When Michael Phelps smoked pot I didn't think he did anything wrong, but his employers did. Tiger didn't do anything wrong, legally as far as we know, but his employers did. So they have a right to do what's in the contract; I don't know what is in there, neither do any of the rest of you.

Come back under threat of .::deadhorse::

If their "terms of employment" said anything, it was "Don't do anything embarrassing, a term that we will define unilaterally and arbitrarily at some time in the future." Good luck living under that regime because it apparently includes "being too happy."

The COC - and other Helen Lovejoy's - don't need defending. The victims of their outlandish moralizing do. You may think you are taking a neutral position - that the employer chooses the terms of employment - but the position you are taking is that all such terms are equally worthy of respect when exercised. Do you sincerely believe that anything these women did violated any rational "job requirement"? If not, please stop defending the IOC/COC. If you do, stop hiding behind the employer's prerogative so that you may be properly mocked.

[jtwcornell91]

Then, you have the Canadian women celebrating a gold medal by drinking. How exactly could it have gotten out of hand - was Rebecca Johnston going to get a DUI for driving the zamboni?

Technically driving the zamboni while intoxicated is probably a criminal offense.  If she was actually drunk then it would be dangerous. Alcohol and operating heavy machinery don't mix.

This is the only thing I have any problem with: It's all fun until somebody gets run over by a Zamboni. ::drive::

[ugarte]

Then, you have the Canadian women celebrating a gold medal by drinking. How exactly could it have gotten out of hand - was Rebecca Johnston going to get a DUI for driving the zamboni?

Technically driving the zamboni while intoxicated is probably a criminal offense.  If she was actually drunk then it would be dangerous. Alcohol and operating heavy machinery don't mix.

This is the only thing I have any problem with: It's all fun until somebody gets run over by a Zamboni. ::drive::

From what I read, she didn't DRIVE the Zamboni. She climbed on the Zamboni and honked the horn. If HWI is illegal the whole world is fucked.

[Hillel Hoffmann]

In Canada, is a zamboni considered a vehicle?

In Canada, a zamboni is considered a marital aid.

She climbed on the Zamboni and honked the horn.

...then climbing on it and honking the horn is a signal of breeding-season territoriality.

[Tom Tone]

In other news, the team Johnston returns to next year is up 2-0 at the end of 2 against 'gate in Game 1 of the ECAC QF

[Rita]

Then, you have the Canadian women celebrating a gold medal by drinking. How exactly could it have gotten out of hand - was Rebecca Johnston going to get a DUI for driving the zamboni?

Technically driving the zamboni while intoxicated is probably a criminal offense.  If she was actually drunk then it would be dangerous. Alcohol and operating heavy machinery don't mix.

This is the only thing I have any problem with: It's all fun until somebody gets run over by a Zamboni. ::drive::

From what I read, she didn't DRIVE the Zamboni. She climbed on the Zamboni and honked the horn. If HWI is illegal the whole world is fucked.

I just wish honking (sober or while intoxicated) was illegal. In Miami, people honk ALL the time and for no apparent (to me) reason. It still startles me and I try to figure out what I did wrong, be it if I'm in my car or just standing on the sidewalk with my dog. (off soapbox and back to work).

[Rita]

In Canada, is a zamboni considered a vehicle?

In Canada, a zamboni is considered a marital aid.

She climbed on the Zamboni and honked the horn.

...then climbing on it and honking the horn is a signal of breeding-season territoriality.

LOL. thanks. **]