Odds that Donahue stays?

[phillysportsfan]

All I'm saying is it's big conference experience, even if it is Northwestern.  OSU wasn't exactly a great job either.  3 other coaches turned it down before Robinson.  So yea, being Michelle's brother probably helped, but it's not as if he's completely unqualified.

Well I guess this whole time we agreed, I am not saying he was completely unqualified just that he would not have gotten the job if he wasnt Michelle's brother

[phillysportsfan]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2010/03/28/2010-03-28_st_johns_red_storm_to_meet_with_exucla_coach_steve_lavin_about_vacancy.html

St Johns is meeting with Lavin today, hopefully they hire him because Donahue might be their next choice.

Article actually says below that Donahue reached out to them:

"Monasch also may interview Cornell coach Steve Donohue this week. Sources told the Daily News that representatives for Donohue have reached out to express his interest in the St. John's position since the Big Red got bounced in the Sweet 16 of the NCAA Tournament on Thursday night."

[Al DeFlorio]

All I'm saying is it's big conference experience, even if it is Northwestern.  OSU wasn't exactly a great job either.  3 other coaches turned it down before Robinson.  So yea, being Michelle's brother probably helped, but it's not as if he's completely unqualified.

Well I guess this whole time we agreed, I am not saying he was completely unqualified just that he would not have gotten the job if he wasnt Michelle's brother

And just how is it that you know this?  What insider information do you have on the situation?  Whom have you spoken to that was privy to Oregon State's decision-making process?

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

... Craig Robinson at Oregon St because of his relation to Obama...

You're sticking with this, eh?

Yeah because he turned Brown around in 2 years to get 19 wins and make the CBI, never made an NCAA tournament and yet still got a job at a PAC10 school. Oregon St is not a good program but they are still in he PAC10. Donahue coached here 8 years, made 2 NCAA tournaments and the best offer he got last year was from BU. Dunphy coached at Penn for 17 years, made all those NCAA tournaments, and the best offer he got was Temple, an A10 school.

The best offer he got or the best offer he took? Dunphy is a Philly guy. He grew up in Malverne and played at LaSalle. Temple - the top coaching position in Pennsylvania (yeah, much better than the Big 10's Penn State) - was probably his dream job. Why would he go anyplace else? Not everyone is constantly trying to climb the ladder. Do you think nobody ever offered Pete Carrill a more lucrative gig than Princeton?

Actually, the top Bball coaching job in PA is currently filled by Jay Wright.  Temple is probably #2.

But you're right, Penn State is irrelevant.

[Trotsky]

Oh St. Joe's, how quickly they forget...

[ugarte]

Oh St. Joe's, how quickly they forget...

#3 for St. Joe's (good catch, Jeff). One great run with Jameer Nelson and Delonte West doesn't surpass what Cheney did over decades while at Temple, just like Cornell won't be the plum Ivy job if Donahue leaves.

[srg1]

How does the issue that Donahue may have lost other job opportunities while he was coaching Cornell to the Sweet 16 factor into this?  Will Donahue get a raise from Cornell if he stays?  Can Cornell make more money by charging students for tickets to basketball and not using the money from the student activity fee towards basketball?

[phillysportsfan]

All I'm saying is it's big conference experience, even if it is Northwestern.  OSU wasn't exactly a great job either.  3 other coaches turned it down before Robinson.  So yea, being Michelle's brother probably helped, but it's not as if he's completely unqualified.

Well I guess this whole time we agreed, I am not saying he was completely unqualified just that he would not have gotten the job if he wasnt Michelle's brother

And just how is it that you know this?  What insider information do you have on the situation?  Whom have you spoken to that was privy to Oregon State's decision-making process?

I think you guys are really missing what I am saying and we are sort of arguing about the same thing. All I am saying is that being related to Obama got Robinson much more attention than the average coach would after making the CBI in 2 years at Brown. And at that point Oregon St decided to take a look at him. Do you really think this played no factor in their decision to hire him?

[kingpin248]

Oh St. Joe's, how quickly they forget...

#3 for St. Joe's (good catch, Jeff). One great run with Jameer Nelson and Delonte West doesn't surpass what Cheney did over decades while at Temple, just like Cornell won't be the plum Ivy job if Donahue leaves.

I'd go with Pitt above St. Joe's; they've had a run of pretty good success in the last decade or so, including an Elite Eight last year. Also they play in the Big East and get the attendant media exposure.

[phillysportsfan]

Donahue already interviewed with Seton Hall and did not impress them, from the NY post:

Willard emerged as the Hall's top choice after Fran McCaffery took the Iowa job and Cornell coach Steve Donahue didn't blow away the brass during an interview with the Pirates yesterday morning.

Donahue apparently is also interested in Siena, from ESPN:
Donahue has expressed a strong interest in the job, and would be a slam-dunk hire for the small private school in upstate New York

[mnagowski]

How does the issue that Donahue may have lost other job opportunities while he was coaching Cornell to the Sweet 16 factor into this?  Will Donahue get a raise from Cornell if he stays?  Can Cornell make more money by charging students for tickets to basketball and not using the money from the student activity fee towards basketball?

10 home games * 1,000 students per game * $5 additional ticket price = $50,000 a year

And that's assuming 10 home games when students are on campus. I think this year there were only 8.

At a certain ticket price students aren't going to show up. (See hockey.) So you're going to need to make Donahue's salary increase come from somewhere else.

[phillysportsfan]

How does the issue that Donahue may have lost other job opportunities while he was coaching Cornell to the Sweet 16 factor into this?  Will Donahue get a raise from Cornell if he stays?  Can Cornell make more money by charging students for tickets to basketball and not using the money from the student activity fee towards basketball?

10 home games * 1,000 students per game * $5 additional ticket price = $50,000 a year

And that's assuming 10 home games when students are on campus. I think this year there were only 8.

At a certain ticket price students aren't going to show up. (See hockey.) So you're going to need to make Donahue's salary increase come from somewhere else.

Yeah there are so few home games it is not really even worth it for them to charge, hockey at least has the history and tradition that gets students to pay for it. Charging for basketball could easily destroy the basketball fan base

[KeithK]

How does the issue that Donahue may have lost other job opportunities while he was coaching Cornell to the Sweet 16 factor into this?  Will Donahue get a raise from Cornell if he stays?  Can Cornell make more money by charging students for tickets to basketball and not using the money from the student activity fee towards basketball?

10 home games * 1,000 students per game * $5 additional ticket price = $50,000 a year

And that's assuming 10 home games when students are on campus. I think this year there were only 8.

At a certain ticket price students aren't going to show up. (See hockey.) So you're going to need to make Donahue's salary increase come from somewhere else.

Yeah there are so few home games it is not really even worth it for them to charge, hockey at least has the history and tradition that gets students to pay for it. Charging for basketball could easily destroy the basketball fan base

A smart administrator would make sure there is a strong fan base before trying to milk it for cash. There's been a big upswing in interest in the bball team lately, deservedly so  We'll see how well it weathers the likely drop off in results next year. Hopefully it will.

[Jim Hyla]

All I'm saying is it's big conference experience, even if it is Northwestern.  OSU wasn't exactly a great job either.  3 other coaches turned it down before Robinson.  So yea, being Michelle's brother probably helped, but it's not as if he's completely unqualified.

Well I guess this whole time we agreed, I am not saying he was completely unqualified just that he would not have gotten the job if he wasnt Michelle's brother

And just how is it that you know this?  What insider information do you have on the situation?  Whom have you spoken to that was privy to Oregon State's decision-making process?

I think you guys are really missing what I am saying and we are sort of arguing about the same thing. All I am saying is that being related to Obama got Robinson much more attention than the average coach would after making the CBI in 2 years at Brown. And at that point Oregon St decided to take a look at him. Do you really think this played no factor in their decision to hire him?

But I don't think you stated it well. My assumption after reading it was that you 'knew" some input that someone from Michelle Obama's circle had on the process. Not just that his name was now better known.

[phillysportsfan]

All I'm saying is it's big conference experience, even if it is Northwestern.  OSU wasn't exactly a great job either.  3 other coaches turned it down before Robinson.  So yea, being Michelle's brother probably helped, but it's not as if he's completely unqualified.

Well I guess this whole time we agreed, I am not saying he was completely unqualified just that he would not have gotten the job if he wasnt Michelle's brother

And just how is it that you know this?  What insider information do you have on the situation?  Whom have you spoken to that was privy to Oregon State's decision-making process?

I think you guys are really missing what I am saying and we are sort of arguing about the same thing. All I am saying is that being related to Obama got Robinson much more attention than the average coach would after making the CBI in 2 years at Brown. And at that point Oregon St decided to take a look at him. Do you really think this played no factor in their decision to hire him?

But I don't think you stated it well. My assumption after reading it was that you 'knew" some input that someone from Michelle Obama's circle had on the process. Not just that his name was now better known.

I guess I wasnt clear then, I dont think anyone from Michelle Obama's circle said to Oregon St you should hire this guy, I am just saying he had more exposure than the average Ivy league coach as a result of his family and so he was able to make the Ivy to Big 6 conference jump