Cornell in Top 35 in Both BBall Polls

CornellFan · January 21, 2010, 07:30:24 PM

Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: CornellFanWhy not? Cornell did it 07-08 with a younger and less talented roster. Cornell just has to take one game at a time. And should Cornell slip up once and finish 13-1 in the Ivy and 27-4 overall... still a good case would be made for Top 25 consideration.
If it's difficult to imagine Cornell running up a 14-0 record, it's no easier to imagine another Ivy squad doing it.

Enjoy the season and let the bracketology fall where it may.

Last season's team was killed with injuries... Dale played the entire season on a bad hamstring while Tyler missed considerable time as well. We are still battling the same injuries, but have played better because of added depth--- thanks to the transfers (Coury/Groebe) and the emergence of the underclassmen such as Wrobo, Peck and Wire.

CornellFan · January 21, 2010, 07:31:08 PM

They finished No. 8 and played a 7 man rotation. Very little depth, tons of talent in the top 5.

ugarte · January 25, 2010, 12:07:52 AM

For those wondering about RPI and the strength of Cornell's losses, Seton Hall has just beaten Louisville and #11 Pitt back-to-back. Seton Hall, Syracuse, Kansas. There aren't a lot of teams who wouldn't have losses in those three games.

YankeeLobo · January 25, 2010, 01:48:30 PM

Cornell ranked even with New Mexico (a VERY good team) in the latest ESPN/USA Today polls. Quite a ways from #25 in the AP Poll, which is the only legit CBB poll.

KeithK · January 25, 2010, 02:52:08 PM

Quote from: YankeeLoboCornell ranked even with New Mexico (a VERY good team) in the latest ESPN/USA Today polls. Quite a ways from #25 in the AP Poll, which is the only legit CBB poll.

Why is the ESPN/USA Today poll not "legit"? I didn't think the committee used polls for basketball, meaning there shouldn't be a question of legitimacy.

YankeeLobo · January 25, 2010, 03:09:24 PM

Quote from: KeithK
Quote from: YankeeLoboCornell ranked even with New Mexico (a VERY good team) in the latest ESPN/USA Today polls. Quite a ways from #25 in the AP Poll, which is the only legit CBB poll.
Why is the ESPN/USA Today poll not "legit"? I didn't think the committee used polls for basketball, meaning there shouldn't be a question of legitimacy.

By "legit" I mean a poll where the pollsters pay attention to each week's action and fill out their rankings based on that. The AP Poll is done by writers, the ESPN poll is a coaches poll and they rarely put in any effort when they fill out their rankings.

Trotsky · January 25, 2010, 03:45:21 PM

You may be overestimating the effort the writers put in. ::whistle::

KeithK · January 25, 2010, 03:58:35 PM

Quote from: TrotskyYou may be overestimating the effort the writers put in. ::whistle::

It's probably very hard for anybody to really have a good handle on every team in Division I basketball, or even the top 25%. I would agree that a writer probably has more time to research other teams than a coach. But much of tha ranking will be superficial in any of the polls.

French Rage · January 25, 2010, 04:12:46 PM

The ESPN Bracketology has us as a #10 seed against Northern Iowa, I wouldn't mind that matchup.

YankeeLobo · January 25, 2010, 05:14:12 PM

If we run the table, getting a #10 seed is a very likely outcome. I wouldn't hope for any seed higher than that because if we win the 8 vs. 9 game, in all likelihood we play the #1 seed in the 2nd round.

ugarte · January 25, 2010, 05:26:41 PM

Quote from: YankeeLoboIf we run the table, getting a #10 seed is a very likely outcome. I wouldn't hope for any seed higher than that because if we win the 8 vs. 9 game, in all likelihood we play the #1 seed in the 2nd round.

I'll still take the better shot at a first round win since the 2 seed we likely face if we win a 10-7 game is probably to rough us up.

Trotsky · January 26, 2010, 08:37:19 AM

Quote from: YankeeLoboIf we run the table, getting a #10 seed is a very likely outcome. I wouldn't hope for any seed higher than that because if we win the 8 vs. 9 game, in all likelihood we play the #1 seed in the 2nd round.

Did the Carril Princeton teams get as high as a 10 seed?

CornellFan · January 26, 2010, 09:04:12 AM

Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: YankeeLoboIf we run the table, getting a #10 seed is a very likely outcome. I wouldn't hope for any seed higher than that because if we win the 8 vs. 9 game, in all likelihood we play the #1 seed in the 2nd round.
I'll still take the better shot at a first round win since the 2 seed we likely face if we win a 10-7 game is probably to rough us up.

Princeton got a 5 seed and beat 12 seed UNLV.

Robb · January 26, 2010, 09:06:07 AM

Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: YankeeLoboIf we run the table, getting a #10 seed is a very likely outcome. I wouldn't hope for any seed higher than that because if we win the 8 vs. 9 game, in all likelihood we play the #1 seed in the 2nd round.
Did the Carril Princeton teams get as high as a 10 seed?

8 seed in 1991 (lost to 9-seed Villanova)

5(!) seed in 1998 (lost to 4-seed Mich State in 2nd round), but that was after Carril left.

ugarte · January 26, 2010, 11:21:14 AM

Quote from: Robb
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: YankeeLoboIf we run the table, getting a #10 seed is a very likely outcome. I wouldn't hope for any seed higher than that because if we win the 8 vs. 9 game, in all likelihood we play the #1 seed in the 2nd round.
Did the Carril Princeton teams get as high as a 10 seed?
8 seed in 1991 (lost to 9-seed Villanova)

By one point, and the baseline pick play WORKED and should have gotten them a shot to win the game on the free throw line. And that wasn't nearly as egregious a no-call as the swallowed whistle when Mourning fouled Mueller on a last second three that would have given the 1989 team a shot to beat #1 seed Georgetown.