WHCU Radio Broadcast

[ugarte]

[quote Jim Hyla][quote redice][quote billhoward]WHCU's audience is so small that a couple fans who attend the games with radio might get the complaints listened to.[/quote]

I hope you're right, Bill.   But, if history serves as a guide, the audio delay will stay.  As WHCU doesn't usually give a damn about the listening pleasure of their audience.  

I've gone round & round with them on issues before.  The first was the unsavory removal of Roy Ives from the CU Hockey broadcasts.   There was a lot of objection voiced (by myself & others).  All to no avail.....That's the result I'm expecting this time.[/quote]However changing personnel is a lot different than tape delay. That's especially true since Roy Ives was way before this and they have not had this type of delay in the recent past. I, for one, am going to contact them.[/quote]
It will do you no good.

The FCC's new interpretation of "fleeting expletives" would impose a fine if Jason knocked hot coffee into his lap and yelled "Fuck!"  Even though Fox "won" the Janet Jackson case, it was a victory on narrow procedural grounds. The Circuit Court held that the FCC couldn't announce and enforce a new rule at the same time and assumed (without actually reaching the question) that the FCC couldn't announce the "fleeting expletive" standard on a going-forward basis. The FCC is apparently going to appeal to SCOTUS.

You can expect all live broadcasts to include a delay until this rule is definitively changed. Failure to include a delay would be held against stations that let the stray f-bomb through.

[redice]

[quote Jim Hyla]However changing personnel is a lot different than tape delay. That's especially true since Roy Ives was way before this and they have not had this type of delay in the recent past. I, for one, am going to contact them.[/quote]

The actual issues may be different.  But, the thing that will remain constant is their attitude toward a complaining customer.   They (WHCU) will do as they wish.   In this case, ugarte's explanation is probably accurate and WHCU will take the CYA approach.   The delay probably stays.

To satisfy my own curiosity, I'll take my radio to other sporting events to see if all stations are using the delay.

[Dpperk29]

[quote redice]
But, the thing that will remain constant is their attitude toward a complaining customer.   They (WHCU) will do as they wish.
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So you think every time a customer complains that they need to be coddled to?

Have you thought of it from the station's point of view? There have been several very reasonable explanations as to why WHCU would implement the 10 second delay.

I am sure it inconveniences you to have to pay attention to the game to see what is happening, but I think you'll survive. WHCU probably isn't out to get you (though they might be if you keep going after them over little things), they are probably ensuring they are able to provide the highest quality broadcast to the highest number of people possible. If that means inconveniencing the couple dozen headphone wearing cornell types, that's the choice they are making.

In a more general sense, when a customer complains about something, The merchant/supplier should do everything in there power, within reason, to remedy the situation. But, in remedying the situation the merchant cannot compromise his business to coddle to one individual.

Whatever, just my opinion. Your mileage will probably vary.

[redice]

[quote Dpperk29]So you think every time a customer complains that they need to be coddled to? [/quote]

Nice tone you're setting there!!

No, I don't expect them to coddle to every customer complaint.  My point is that WHCU has shown little interest in "coddling" to any customer complaints of which I've heard or made.   I know it's ridiculous to expect the "customer is always right" philosophy.   But, it is equally ridiculous to expect a "customer is always wrong" philosophy, as well.  And frankly, that's the track record.

I'm pleased that you've allowed our mileage to vary....  As it does....

[Dpperk29]

[quote redice]

Nice tone you're setting there!!
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I try.

[quote redice]

I'm pleased that you've allowed our mileage to vary....  As it does....[/quote]

So nice to know that someone has a perfect odometer.

I guess I am just having trouble wrapping my head around listening to a radio broadcast of the game while you are at the game. What could you possibly garner from the radio that you can't with your own eyes?

[BCrespi]

[quote Dpperk29][quote redice]

Nice tone you're setting there!!
[/quote]

I try.

[quote redice]

I'm pleased that you've allowed our mileage to vary....  As it does....[/quote]

So nice to know that someone has a perfect odometer.

I guess I am just having trouble wrapping my head around listening to a radio broadcast of the game while you are at the game. What could you possibly garner from the radio that you can't with your own eyes?[/quote]

I'm not sure what side of the bed you rolled out of this morning, but people are allowed to want to hear others' analysis or between period interviews, etc, as well as dislike women's hockey.  I'm very impressed that you've spent so much time around hockey that you have the end-all opinion of what is "beautiful" hockey and that you never miss anything while watching with your own eyes.  Kudos to you!

[RichH]

[quote redice]I'm pleased that you've allowed our mileage to vary....  As it does....[/quote]

Just don't let it vary too much.  If you get 5 miles outside of Ithaca, you won't be able to pick up WHCU anyway.  (yes, this soapbox again).

MOVE THE GAMES TO FM!

[redice]

[quote RichH][quote redice]I'm pleased that you've allowed our mileage to vary....  As it does....[/quote]

Just don't let it vary too much.  If you get 5 miles outside of Ithaca, you won't be able to pick up WHCU anyway.  (yes, this soapbox again).

MOVE THE GAMES TO FM![/quote]

Ah yes, another one of those issues that WHCU will not correct.   I live 25 miles from Ithaca.  And no, I am not able to listen to the away games on the radio.   I can recall when the games were on FM.   Not to mention that the Elmira Jackals' games are on FM.   I don't understand the folks at WHCU keeping them on AM.

[redice]

[quote Dpperk29][quote redice]

Nice tone you're setting there!!
[/quote]

I try.

[quote redice]

I'm pleased that you've allowed our mileage to vary....  As it does....[/quote]

So nice to know that someone has a perfect odometer.

I guess I am just having trouble wrapping my head around listening to a radio broadcast of the game while you are at the game. What could you possibly garner from the radio that you can't with your own eyes?[/quote]

I think BCrespi said it best:  

I'm not sure what side of the bed you rolled out of this morning, but people are allowed to want to hear others' analysis or between period interviews, etc, as well as dislike women's hockey. I'm very impressed that you've spent so much time around hockey that you have the end-all opinion of what is "beautiful" hockey and that you never miss anything while watching with your own eyes. Kudos to you!

I thought about giving the same response.   I didn't originally do it because I didn't see the need to act offended and start a pissing contest..  But, since he/she already said it....::whistle::

I will add that listening to the radio allows me to get the perspective of one, possibly two other people, who could very well be looking at some other part of the ice surface than I.   And the color guy is a former player, who has a perspective of the game that I just do not have.

I admit that it looks a bit dorky to be sitting there with earbuds/headphones.   But, others (sitting around me) are constantly asking  me about things that are happening on the ice.   I expect that's because those people know I'm listening to the radio.

Does that help you wrap your head around it?

[Dpperk29]

[quote redice]

Does that help you wrap your head around it?[/quote]

Yes, it does. When I listen to the radio I often find the color guys rather annoying because in my opinion they only say things that I already know, but I see now that someone with a different background than I (less playing/reffing and more watching) would find find it helpful.

Sorry if I came across rude or grumpy, wasn't intended to be.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote Dpperk29][quote redice]

Does that help you wrap your head around it?[/quote]

Yes, it does. When I listen to the radio I often find the color guys rather annoying because in my opinion they only say things that I already know, but I see now that someone with a different background than I (less playing/reffing and more watching) would find find it helpful.

Sorry if I came across rude or grumpy, wasn't intended to be.[/quote]Well if you want someone to be grumpy this is a good way to start. I've held back responding till now, but can't seem to hold back any longer.


I've watched hockey for around 46 years, and yes while I've never reffed and only played pond hockey in my younger days, I actually do find that others can have a perspective that I don't see. Imagine that! As an aside, I generally find that people who feel they can't learn from others actually have a lot to learn. So sorry if I've added to the pissing contest.

[Dpperk29]

[quote Jim Hyla][quote Dpperk29][quote redice]

Does that help you wrap your head around it?[/quote]

Yes, it does. When I listen to the radio I often find the color guys rather annoying because in my opinion they only say things that I already know, but I see now that someone with a different background than I (less playing/reffing and more watching) would find find it helpful.

Sorry if I came across rude or grumpy, wasn't intended to be.[/quote]Well if you want someone to be grumpy this is a good way to start. I've held back responding till now, but can't seem to hold back any longer.


I've watched hockey for around 46 years, and yes while I've never reffed and only played pond hockey in my younger days, I actually do find that others can have a perspective that I don't see. Imagine that! As an aside, I generally find that people who feel they can't learn from others actually have a lot to learn. So sorry if I've added to the pissing contest.[/quote]

I fully understand that I can learn from everyone I meet in some way or another, and I also know I have a whole lot about everything to learn.

For example, through this little exchange I have learned that some people find listening to the radio broadcast of the game enhances their hockey experience. I wasn't implying that you (or anyone else) knows any more/less about hockey than I do, just that someone who's primary connection to the game is watching it might find that color commentators have something interesting to say. I feel that color commentators generally say what I was already thinking, so I find they add very little to my experience.

The point I was making is that we all have different backgrounds and find that different things help us enjoy things differently from others. For example Jim, you would probably find a lecture about the basics of how the spinal column work very boring (because you are a doctor) whereas someone like me would find it informative/interesting (because my knowledge of the spine is extremely limited).

Honestly, I am sorry if you think I was taking a shot at people who haven't played/reffed/coached the game. I was not. I was explaining why I found color commentators boring. Often in conversations with people who are simply fans of hockey I learn more about the game.

[redice]

[quote Dpperk29]
Sorry if I came across rude or grumpy, wasn't intended to be.[/quote]

Apology accepted....  Pissing contest over.....  No piling on, guys/gals...;-)

Now, we all understand one another....::whistle::

[profudge]

redice and RichH,   I agree -  I miss the FM away game broadcasts  and I am near top of hill about  20 miles south of Ithaca.  AM is impossible to listen to most evenings.     WHCU, please switch to FM for sports coverage.

[redice]

[quote profudge]redice and RichH,   I agree -  I miss the FM away game broadcasts  and I am near top of hill about  20 miles south of Ithaca.  AM is impossible to listen to most evenings.     WHCU, please switch to FM for sports coverage.[/quote]

I admit that I don't know that radio business.   So, I don't fully understand why they make their decisions.   (And, as you might expect, they offer no explanations.)  But, it's frustrating to know that Cayuga Radio Group has five FM stations and they can't find a way to broadcast CU Hockey on one of them.   I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say that there must be a good reason.  But, given the fact that the Elmira Jackals are ALWAYS on FM, I can't believe the reason is that compelling....  Or should I believe that Cayuga Radio Group is just miles ahead of all the other stations in the decision-making process?   I seriously doubt it.

I've just gotta say it:         ::asshole::