Cornell Hockey in 2009-2010

[billhoward]

If Jack Parker sticks around much longer, he's gonna be in diapers, too. He's closing in on five decades with BU hockey (player, coach) and unlike some coaches who lose it sometime in their fifties or sixties, Parker at 64 is still be on his game. Maybe he wants to beat Joe Pa's tenure record.

Miami fans have to love that fluke goal because they can fixate on that and ignore the final-minute collapse. The winners just walk around with the 2009 NCAA Champs T-shirts while the losers will spend hours dreaming up scenarios for why they should have won. A bit like we're doing here. I don't think you can see "injuries really hurt Cornell" unless we got taken down by a team that was comparatively injury-free.

BU sucks. Cantabs, too. But for excitement, and for determination on BU's part, that was a great game.

[andyw2100]

I wouldn't say the tournament winning goal was "utter crap." If I recall correctly, the pass that led to the shot was a beautiful behind the back pass. Sure, the deflection of the Miami player made it a cheapish kind of goal, but were it not for the fact that the goalie was completely screened it probably would have been an easy save off the deflection. So BU made a very pretty pass to set up the shot, and had the goalie completely screened. Based on that, I can't agree that it was "utter crap."

All that being said, a couple of minutes before the goal I had said to the people I was watching the game with that I hoped the game-winning goal wouldn't be funky in any way. And I do acknowledge a certain level of funkiness on that goal.

[Rosey]

[quote andyw2100]I wouldn't say the tournament winning goal was "utter crap."[/quote]
Okay, but it was something I'd refer to as a garbage goal if it came during one of my own games.  By this, I mean that no one explicitly put the puck in: there was just a bad deflection on a low-percentage shot and the puck just slowly floated in.

If it had deflected like a laser off a mirror and tore a hole through the back of the net, I would not be arguing this.

[Beeeej]

[quote Kyle Rose]If it had deflected like a laser off a mirror and tore a hole through the back of the net, I would not be arguing this.[/quote]

Oh, please - like that could ever happen.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote Kyle Rose].
If it had deflected like a laser off a mirror and tore a hole through the back of the net, I would not be arguing this.[/quote]

Then we'd be arguing the physics of deflection and the possibility of whether it might have been a second puck on the grassy knoll.

By the way, in the highlights in the Verizon Center they had a new angle on the UVM OT goal that, well, at least I hadn't seen before. Looking straight on to the goal. From the front on view, there is absolutely no doubt the puck was below the crossbar. From the top view there was no doubt it was to the (goalie's) right of the (goalie's) left post. Case closed.

Back on topic: the BU goal may have been moderately fluky, but BU was dominating overtime, had a number of good chances, and it basically seemed a matter of time until something found its way in somehow. For Miami to win at that point would have required a much higher level of flukiness - or a flat our miss by the BU goalie.

[Rosey]

[quote DeltaOne81]By the way, in the highlights in the Verizon Center they had a new angle on the UVM OT goal that, well, at least I hadn't seen before. Looking straight on to the goal. From the front on view, there is absolutely no doubt the puck was below the crossbar. From the top view there was no doubt it was to the (goalie's) right of the (goalie's) left post. Case closed.[/quote]
Based on my knowledge of motion compensation in MPEG, this sounds conclusive to me.  So I agree with you and support you now.

Back on topic: the BU goal may have been moderately fluky, but BU was dominating overtime, had a number of good chances, and it basically seemed a matter of time until something found its way in somehow. For Miami to win at that point would have required a much higher level of flukiness - or a flat our miss by the BU goalie.

I'm not saying BU shouldn't have won; they were clearly the better team going in.  Does anyone actually disagree that BU was the strongest team in the nation this year, bar none?  They kicked ass and took names and will come back next year and probably do the same thing.  Parker got pwned at Lynah in 2002, and probably learned a lot from that experience.   Woe to us at MSG. ::uhoh::

I'm simply arguing that they should have won handily in regulation, and the fact that they had to and went on to score 3 unanswered goals, at least one of them garbage, with less than 2 minutes left in regulation has to hurt for the Miami players, who almost pulled off a massive upset against such a dominant team.  I can't help but admire BU for getting it together, but I also can't help but feel bad for Miami, who after all could have been us in a year in which the chips fell slightly differently.

(Yes, screw BU and all that: we had our rare chance in 2003 and, through a combination of bad luck and more bad luck, sent our senior talent on to the rest of their careers without the NCAA hardware.  I don't hate BU because of that. :-) )

[lynah80]

Brandon Thomas comments on Cornell Hockey for 2008-2009 and 2009-2010 here:

http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20090411/SPORTS03/904110351/1128

[KeithK]

[quote Kyle Rose](Yes, screw BU and all that: we had our rare chance in 2003 and, through a combination of bad luck and more bad luck, sent our senior talent on to the rest of their careers without the NCAA hardware.  I don't hate BU because of that. :-) )[/quote]
I don't hate BU because of 2003 or their latest title.  I say screw BU because I have a sense of program history and I know what kind of rival they were for Cornell. Plus Jackie Parker is an ass.

[Trotsky]

[quote KeithK]I say screw BU because I have a sense of program history and I know what kind of rival they were for Cornell. Plus Jackie Parker is an ass.[/quote]

Parker's an ass the way Cleary was an ass the way Schafer's an ass.  Unapolegetic advocates for their team who will say and do whatever is necessary to help their guys.

We can only hope when Schafer is done he'll have Parker's record of success.

[KeithK]

[quote Trotsky][quote KeithK]I say screw BU because I have a sense of program history and I know what kind of rival they were for Cornell. Plus Jackie Parker is an ass.[/quote]

Parker's an ass the way Cleary was an ass the way Schafer's an ass.  Unapolegetic advocates for their team who will say and do whatever is necessary to help their guys.

We can only hope when Schafer is done he'll have Parker's record of success.[/quote]
But Schafer is our ass so it's different. :-D

[Trotsky]

[quote KeithK]But Schafer is our ass so it's different. :-D[/quote]

Of course. :-)

[Josh '99]

[quote DeltaOne81]For Miami to win at that point would have required a much higher level of flukiness - or a flat our miss by the BU goalie.[/quote]Not beyond the realm of possibility - I didn't have the best angle on it but Miami's third goal looked like a flat out miss.

[lynah80]

[quote tretiak]

Colin Wilson (17/38/55 in 43 games) will also leave, assuming he doesn't get hurt patting himself too hard on the back...

[/quote]

Where did you read he will be leaving?

His remarks in this article suggest otherwise, if you believe them:

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2009/04/09_ffqa.php

[DeltaOne81]

[quote Josh '99][quote DeltaOne81]For Miami to win at that point would have required a much higher level of flukiness - or a flat our miss by the BU goalie.[/quote]Not beyond the realm of possibility - I didn't have the best angle on it but Miami's third goal looked like a flat out miss.[/quote]

Agreed. Quite possible in fact. But no less 'fluky' in its own way than that BU goal.

[lynah80]

In addition to Greening:

Brendon Nash: C or A
Riley Nash: A