Cornell-RPI Postgame (Game 2) 3/14/09

[profudge]

Agreed  he was twisted and thrown to ice by the RPI face-off guy across from him.  Tangled up his stick and got it high over head and shoulders and tying him up and spinning him around and down to ice;  with no attempt to play the puck from where I sat.  

Pat Kennedy was hit just below my seat (section N) on boards with a vicious elbow to the head,  he went down with RPI player on top still pushing down and hitting him from on top.   He was slow and very wobbly  getting up and trying to get to bench.  Did not return to game after that ...  Hope that is just  precautionary!  

RPI was frustrated and playing the man with no attempt to play the puck most of the third period   (maybe half or more of their  players)

LGR !! come out and play another complete game on Sunday - Play  hockey and ignore RPI's  methods and style - they want us to respond and play their  way!  

Cornell had some  real good hits and some were rough  but I did not see any that did not involve the man with the puck or had  just released  the puck and they were in general legal and we got penalized when they were not  -  there was nothing called on the one where Pat Kennedy got slammed.     Overall  the refs called a tight game  -  

Murphy picking up the goalie stick and handing it to Lange - that's a new one - I've never seen in 36 years of playing and a number of years officiating.   Interesting if league  comments on that - I doubt it  - probably all behind closed doors  (that is  wisest).  

Seems to violate the principal that  officials are neutral parties.

[Beeeej]

[quote profudge]Murphy picking up the goalie stick and handing it to Lange - that's a new one - I've never seen in 36 years of playing and a number of years officiating.   Interesting if league  comments on that - I doubt it  - probably all behind closed doors  (that is  wisest).  

Seems to violate the principal that  officials are neutral parties.[/quote]

Well, I just punished myself by reading the entire rulebook.  It doesn't explicitly prohibit the officials from returning sticks to players, but that doesn't surprise me - it's possible the rules committee never even contemplated that an official would do such a thing.  It does say the following things:

SECTION 4. a. A player without a stick may participate in the game. A player whose stick is broken may participate in the game provided the player drops the broken stick.
PENALTY—Minor.
Note: A broken stick is one that, in the opinion of the official, is unfit for normal play. A stick with a chipped or cracked blade shall not be considered broken, provided the blade is entirely covered with tape and there are not any projecting points. Sticks should be kept low at all times.
b. A goalkeeper may continue to play with a broken stick until a stoppage of play or until the goalkeeper legally has been provided with a stick.
c. A player whose stick is broken may not receive a stick thrown onto the ice from any part of the rink but must obtain a stick at the players' bench or be handed one by a teammate not serving a penalty. A goalkeeper whose stick is broken may not receive a stick thrown onto the ice surface from any part of the rink but may receive a stick from a teammate without proceeding to the players' bench.

That's not very helpful, I know, but it's what's in there.  Furthermore, although I have the same understanding as profudge as far as the officials' duty to maintain neutrality to a fault whenever possible, there's nothing in the rulebook that explicitly says so.

Apropos of nothing, I discovered in my reading a very interesting, obviously under-enforced rule:

c. A player, coach or non-playing person shall not bang the boards with a stick or other instrument.
PENALTY—Minor or bench minor. If a player persists in such action, a misconduct shall be assessed.

Yet another thing RPI was doing tonight.

[KeithK]

Anyone know what Cornell's record is for most shots taken in a game?  I'm sure it's something absurdly high from back in the 60's or 70's.  Tonight's 56 has to be the most in a long while.  Not to mentioning the 47 shot differential.

[Beeeej]

[quote KeithK]Anyone know what Cornell's record is for most shots taken in a game?  I'm sure it's something absurdly high from back in the 60's or 70's.  Tonight's 56 has to be the most in a long while.  Not to mentioning the 47 shot differential.[/quote]

I looked in this year's media guide, and no record is listed.  I suspect someone keeps track of it somewhere, but given the wildly varying standards for what constitutes a shot on goal from rink to rink (and for the home team vs. the visiting team), it wouldn't surprise me if nobody really cares.

ETA: And by the way, does anybody besides me think it's odd that the media guide lists former NHL players from Cornell but not "current" ones, not even those who were on an active roster at the end of last year?

[ACM]

[quote Beeeej][quote KeithK]Anyone know what Cornell's record is for most shots taken in a game?  I'm sure it's something absurdly high from back in the 60's or 70's.  Tonight's 56 has to be the most in a long while.  Not to mentioning the 47 shot differential.[/quote]

I looked in this year's media guide, and no record is listed.  I suspect someone keeps track of it somewhere, but given the wildly varying standards for what constitutes a shot on goal from rink to rink (and for the home team vs. the visiting team), it wouldn't surprise me if nobody really cares.[/quote]

From "The Cornell Hockey Record Book", compiled many years ago by some guy whose name escapes me at the moment:

Most saves by opposing team's goalie, one game
72, vs. Colgate at Hamilton (Starr Rink), 1/26/71 (Geoff McMullen 72, Cornell won 8-2)

So it's at least 80.

Very likely, this game tied the record for fewest shots allowed in a game. At least, that was the record in "The Cornell Hockey Record Book", and I can't recall a game in which the record was broken since that book was published.

[Trotsky]

[quote KeithK]Anyone know what Cornell's record is for most shots taken in a game?  I'm sure it's something absurdly high from back in the 60's or 70's.  Tonight's 56 has to be the most in a long while.  Not to mentioning the 47 shot differential.[/quote]

As a first pass, the most shots faced by any opposing goalie I can find are here:

74 1958 Gill, Lehigh (the Cornell first game at Lynah, 16 goals allowed)
70 1968 Horton, Guelph (4 goals allowed)
70 1965 Bloom, Hamilton (19)

For recent history, on 2/19/2000, Prekaski of RPI stopped 58 of Cornell 61 shots.

[imafrshmn]

February 2004:  Vermont held to 9 SOG in 1-0 win

October 2004:  Army held to 9 SOG in 7-1 win

[Trotsky]

[quote ACM]Very likely, this game tied the record for fewest shots allowed in a game. At least, that was the record in "The Cornell Hockey Record Book", and I can't recall a game in which the record was broken since that book was published.[/quote]

On 10/29/04, McKee and Davenport combined to stop 7 of 8 shots by Army.

[KeithK]

Thanks Arthur.  I probably could have asked you by name instead of "anyone". :-)

The last time we broke 50 was in an exhibition against York. Before that, both QF games against Clarkson in '06 that went to 2OT (54 and 59).  Hasn't happened in a non-overtime game that counted in at least the last six seasons.

We did allow only nine shots at Vermont on 2/7/2004.

(Source: www.collegehockeystats.net)

[KeithK]

[quote Trotsky][quote ACM]Very likely, this game tied the record for fewest shots allowed in a game. At least, that was the record in "The Cornell Hockey Record Book", and I can't recall a game in which the record was broken since that book was published.[/quote]

On 10/29/04, McKee and Davenport combined to stop 7 of 8 shots by Army.[/quote]
Bah... How'd I miss that! :-)

[Beeeej]

[quote Trotsky][quote ACM]Very likely, this game tied the record for fewest shots allowed in a game. At least, that was the record in "The Cornell Hockey Record Book", and I can't recall a game in which the record was broken since that book was published.[/quote]

On 10/29/04, McKee and Davenport combined to stop 7 of 8 shots by Army.[/quote]

Interesting that College Hockey Stats has it as 9.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Beeeej]]c. A player, coach or non-playing person shall not bang the boards with a stick or other instrument.
PENALTY—Minor or bench minor. If a player persists in such action, a misconduct shall be assessed.[/quote]

So interesting to learn that a few weeks ago when Air Force played at RIT (Friday night) not only should Kirby not been let out of the box (he still had another minor to serve after the refs forgot to put another AFA player in the box) but maybe AFA should have been penalized for everyone banging on the boards to get him out.

[Killer]

[quote Trotsky][quote ACM]Very likely, this game tied the record for fewest shots allowed in a game. At least, that was the record in "The Cornell Hockey Record Book", and I can't recall a game in which the record was broken since that book was published.[/quote]

On 10/29/04, McKee and Davenport combined to stop 7 of 8 shots by Army.[/quote]

Did RPI have a legit SOG in the 3rd period, meaning one that they themselves actually took?  I see in the box score that they had 1, but I recall hearing the RPI announcer say that Scrivens had to stop an errant pass by one of our guys that was supposed to go behind the net, but wound up on-goal.  Is it possible that that was the 1 save he had for the period?

[lynah80]

[quote lynah80][quote Beeeej] "... goonery from the bottom-dwelling teams that that have nothing to lose by trying it, and risks the injuries that officiating is supposed to prevent.[/quote]

That's the way RPI approaches every game.  Not trying to be funny here.[/quote]

PIM/game

RPI - 19.6, #4 in the nation
Cornell - 13.3

[lynah80]

[quote Beeeej][quote Jim Hyla][quote Cop at Lynah]Injuries will have an impact on tomorrows game.  Patrick Kennedy took a viscious hit to the head early in the 3rd and did not return and Blake Gallagher looked like he badly sprained or broke his ankle and went straight to the locker room midway through the 3rd.[/quote]Gallagher hurt the leg earlier in the game, but I didn't see what happened to send him off the ice, did you catch it?[/quote]

He got hauled down badly on a face-off.[/quote]

It was shortly after the double minor on Mugford, in the middle of the 3rd period.  He was down on the ice for a short time after the face off.  Then, he skated off on his own, without a stoppage of play.  He was really hobbling.