Important message to ice hockey ticket holders

[Dafatone]

What bothered me, and this is going back a couple seasons, was when rink ushers would threaten to toss us for being really loud and not cursing.

A friend and I noticed that a game (we were in D) was a little quiet, I think it was the start of the 2nd period.  So we screamed our head off at the opposing goalie, team, and pretty much everyone in sight.  No cursing.

An usher came over and threatened to toss us out.

[CM cWo 44]

It seems that we are the only team that is preoccupied with cursing by fans during games. Maybe this is because of how many times I've encountered the embarassing lack of creativity that is the "Fuck Cornell" chant at Colgate.

[RichH]

[quote Dafatone]What bothered me, and this is going back a couple seasons, was when rink ushers would threaten to toss us for being really loud and not cursing.

A friend and I noticed that a game (we were in D) was a little quiet, I think it was the start of the 2nd period.  So we screamed our head off at the opposing goalie, team, and pretty much everyone in sight.  No cursing.

An usher came over and threatened to toss us out.[/quote]

That's because an attitude of "assume all students are up to no good" is taught, nurtured, and reinforced in the usher training and meetings.  If something noisy and unusual happens in the student sections, they must be up to somethin' and it's their job to go hassle those troublemakers.  It makes me sick, but that's the way it has been for years.

And we have this debate every year because there are people passionate about each side of the issue here, and there's really no way to come to an agreement.  It's polarizing.

Also, I'm a little offended by the suggestion that if a word is uttered by a student that some consider to be vulgar (and who exactly is the judge of that?), then that student is of lower quality than others.  C'mon, with your high-handed smugness.  I assure you that just about every person you have ever admired or thought to be extraordinary has used salty language at some point in their lives...and probably often.  

Frankly, this always reminds me of the TV debate over language.  Who is responsible for parenting the kids?  The broadcast networks?  The Cornell Athletics Department?  It's my opinion that there needs to be more responsible parenting, by talking to the children about certain things.  Explain to them why you don't want them to use some of the words they may hear in this world, because they will hear them.  If not at Lynah, then at the playground or on the street.  Treating a child like a mature, intelligent human being will go farther than throwing a jacket over their head and carrying them out the back door of Lynah hoping that they didn't just hear and will never ever repeat that awful, foul, terrible word!

Disclaimer: yeah, I'm being just as high-handed in the above paragraph as I accused others of being.  Especially since I don't have kids yet.  Meh.  It's an opinion.

Anyway, maybe the Athletics Dept. would get a higher profit if they weren't recruiting and training an army of lip-readers in fear that a naughty word slip out.  And of course, bringing the band into this is weak.

[MB]

It always annoyed me that athletics cared so much about the townies.  I see the University as a place for students where townies are invited in, not the other way around.  I think the AD and all have sort of forgotten that.

Now, it's true that we should be able to intimidate the opposition without swearing, but I also don't think that dropping the occasional curse (like during Gary Glitter) is a mortal sin.  The users also need to get the hell off their power trip too- when I graduated ('07), they were tossing people who screamed "sucks" and "I hate you" just a little too loudly.  The reason?  Apparently "hate" is a strong word...  I'm so glad they weren't the bouncers at any of the bars around Ithaca.

[ugarte]

I refuse to read through another thread about this topic, in which people talk about "rights" and "principles" and similar nonsense. I'd rather debate the HIPAA implications of discussing Davenport's post-RPI injury.

"No cursing" has been a formal policy for more than a decade, IIRC. If Gary Glitter has become a reason for a substantial percentage of the crowd to scream "fuck," Gary Glitter will be a casualty of the policy. I'm surprised that it has taken this long, actually.

Stop saying fuck, you fucking babies.

[Chris '03]

I'm curious if the same threat was made to basketball ticket holders. The pep band covers both sports and plays Gary Glitter at Newman too.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote MB]It always annoyed me that athletics cared so much about the townies.  I see the University as a place for students where townies are invited in, not the other way around.  I think the AD and all have sort of forgotten that.[/quote]So, we forget about your professors and everyone who works at Cornell to keep it running. Forget about people like me, who have been going, and giving, since we were freshman in 1963. In fact, let's throw all of them out of CU and you can teach yourself. After all, as I had posted before it was Coach who wanted the vulgarity gone; maybe we could just not allow his wife and kids in Lynah, that would solve the problem.


Look, it's obviously posts like this that get me going, but we all live in this world together, why can't we just try and have some consideration for others. Just because the athletic department seems inconsiderate, doesn't mean we all have to be.

[Trotsky]

[quote MB]It always annoyed me that athletics cared so much about the townies.  I see the University as a place for students where townies are invited in, not the other way around.  I think the AD and all have sort of forgotten that.[/quote]Alternately, one might view the university as a community resource for research and advanced scholarship, where undergrads are veal calves to harvest tuition dollars from and otherwise contribute nothing of value.

Opinions vary.

[French Rage]

[quote Jim Hyla][quote MB]It always annoyed me that athletics cared so much about the townies.  I see the University as a place for students where townies are invited in, not the other way around.  I think the AD and all have sort of forgotten that.[/quote]So, we forget about your professors and everyone who works at Cornell to keep it running. Forget about people like me, who have been going, and giving, since we were freshman in 1963. In fact, let's throw all of them out of CU and you can teach yourself. After all, as I had posted before it was Coach who wanted the vulgarity gone; maybe we could just not allow his wife and kids in Lynah, that would solve the problem.


Look, it's obviously posts like this that get me going, but we all live in this world together, why can't we just try and have some consideration for others. Just because the athletic department seems inconsiderate, doesn't mean we all have to be.[/quote]

Let's not forget that the townies have been going for 10-20 years or more and paying full price, whereas the students are there for four years at a reduced price (if the SA is still doing that).  I always liked it around 2003-2004 when other students complained that they should take away townie seats so the students had more, despite the fact that the townies would gaurantee to fill every seat pretty much in perpetuity whereas the student section would start to see holes if a couple bad seasons hit.

[Rosey]

[quote Trotsky]Alternately, one might view the university as a community resource for research and advanced scholarship, where undergrads are veal calves to harvest tuition dollars from and otherwise contribute nothing of value.[/quote]
I am certain this is the way the University administration views the undergrads.  Whether this is consistent with the University's stated mission or not is up for debate.

Either way, threatening to take away everyone's toys because of the questionable behavior of a minority is a poor way to discipline, even if the students were children, which they are not.

IMO, figure out a way to police the bad behavior without impacting the fun of the rest of the fans, or do nothing.  Collateral damage is something up with which I will not put. ;-)  As a Coach's Club member, I will not continue to financially support a crackdown on student enthusiasm in the name of cracking down on bad behavior.

[MB]

[quote Jim Hyla]So, we forget about your professors and everyone who works at Cornell to keep it running. Forget about people like me, who have been going, and giving, since we were freshman in 1963. In fact, let's throw all of them out of CU and you can teach yourself. After all, as I had posted before it was Coach who wanted the vulgarity gone; maybe we could just not allow his wife and kids in Lynah, that would solve the problem.


Look, it's obviously posts like this that get me going, but we all live in this world together, why can't we just try and have some consideration for others. Just because the athletic department seems inconsiderate, doesn't mean we all have to be.[/quote]



If we're going for hyperbole, how about you kick out the students?  I'm sure the lack of tuition dollars (and future alumni donations) will pay the staff's salary for a long time.  You're right about us all needing to live together, but give and take goes both ways.  Students are going to be students no matter what you do.

For the record, I've lived in Ithaca since '88 and my pops is a prof, so don't try accusing me of forgetting about the locals.  What I'm trying to say is that there will always be a disconnect between students and townies, and everyone needs to realize that.  If a student goes to the Hangar (or the chili cook-off, or wine tasting), they shouldn't go wasted and be an ass.  If a local goes to a student game, they shouldn't be offended by someone loudly heckling the goalie using less than pristine language.  Once again, I'm not saying that the students should be swearing left and right, but two f-bombs a game is better than cable TV.  It is how it is, and we'll always have two different worlds.  (Don't even get me started about this whole Collegetown debacle)

[MattShaf]

Fluff 'em up, Fluff 'em up. Go CU

[Tom Tone]

Well looks like we can't win without fuck.

[KeithK]

[quote Tom Tone]Well looks like we can't win without fuck.[/quote]
I dare you to start a "Can't Win Without Fuck" chant tomorrow.

I double dog dare you!

[Flyers1037]

[quote KeithK][quote Tom Tone]Well looks like we can't win without fuck.[/quote]
I dare you to start a "Can't Win Without Fuck" chant tomorrow.

I double dog dare you![/quote]

Do it for a taco?