Polls 1/12

sah67 · January 12, 2009, 01:22:55 PM

http://www.uscho.com/rankings/

We move up to #5 with two first-place votes, and we now have 4 ECAC teams ranked nationally, with Yale cracking the list at #19, Princeton sliding to #10, and Dartmouth falling to #18.

And for those of you who care, we're up to #3 in the oh-so-crucial INCH Power Rankings:
http://insidecollegehockey.com/5Polls/0809/polls_0716.htm

Oat · January 12, 2009, 01:29:46 PM

The date is 1/12!

finchphil · January 12, 2009, 01:33:36 PM

If I read the poll correctly, the IVY League has as many teams (4) in the top 20 as the Big 10!

Flyers1037 · January 12, 2009, 02:10:01 PM

[quote finchphil]If I read the poll correctly, the IVY League has as many teams (4) in the top 20 as the Big 10![/quote]

If there was a Big 10 in hockey, I would agree.

BCrespi · January 12, 2009, 02:15:54 PM

[quote Flyers1037][quote finchphil]If I read the poll correctly, the IVY League has as many teams (4) in the top 20 as the Big 10![/quote]

If there was a Big 10 in hockey, I would agree.[/quote]

Yes, but same can be said for the Ivy League. I think that's the point.

Flyers1037 · January 12, 2009, 02:25:02 PM

[quote BCrespi][quote Flyers1037][quote finchphil]If I read the poll correctly, the IVY League has as many teams (4) in the top 20 as the Big 10![/quote]

If there was a Big 10 in hockey, I would agree.[/quote]

Yes, but same can be said for the Ivy League. I think that's the point.[/quote]

Point taken, but at least the Ivy League schools all play in the same conference and crown a winner at the end of the season.

Rosey · January 12, 2009, 02:58:17 PM

[quote Flyers1037]crown a winner at the end of the season.[/quote]
To the sublime sound of crickets. They simply haven't yet formalized the fact that no one cares.

ganderson · January 12, 2009, 03:02:01 PM

Apropos of nothing, Pairwise rankings are up, and we're in second, behind (sucks to) BU. I know it's WAY too early to get excited about such things, but it's still nice.

Incidentally, although they're calculating record against TUC's, they're not awarding the point towards comparison for it. This strikes me as weird (especially as it flips our comparison with BU.

Anyone have any insight?

EDIT: Just remembered both teams have to have played 10 TUCs... never mind. :S

Chris '03 · January 12, 2009, 03:15:35 PM

[quote ganderson]Apropos of nothing, Pairwise rankings are up, and we're in second, behind (sucks to) BU. I know it's WAY too early to get excited about such things, but it's still nice.

Incidentally, although they're calculating record against TUC's, they're not awarding the point towards comparison for it. This strikes me as weird (especially as it flips our comparison with BU.

Anyone have any insight?[/quote]

TUC only counts when both teams being compared have played 10 TUC games.

KeithK · January 12, 2009, 03:30:16 PM

[quote ganderson]Apropos of nothing, Pairwise rankings are up, and we're in second, behind (sucks to) BU. I know it's WAY too early to get excited about such things, but it's still nice.

Incidentally, although they're calculating record against TUC's, they're not awarding the point towards comparison for it. This strikes me as weird (especially as it flips our comparison with BU.

Anyone have any insight?[/quote]
The Pairwise are only now "up" in the sense that USCHo started posting them. SiouxSports and Whelan have had PWR for a while now. We were #1 a few weeks ago.

Here's my favorite PWR/tournament nightmare. Cornell finishes strong, returns to the tournament and captures a #1 regional seed. But only being ranked #3 or #4 in the PWR behind a couple of other eastern teams they get shipped to Marriucci against a regional field that includes big ice teams UNH and home team Minnesota.

Robb · January 12, 2009, 03:33:06 PM

[quote Chris '03][quote ganderson]Apropos of nothing, Pairwise rankings are up, and we're in second, behind (sucks to) BU. I know it's WAY too early to get excited about such things, but it's still nice.

Incidentally, although they're calculating record against TUC's, they're not awarding the point towards comparison for it. This strikes me as weird (especially as it flips our comparison with BU.

Anyone have any insight?[/quote]

TUC only counts when both teams being compared have played 10 TUC games.[/quote]
...not including games between the two teams being compared. Probably won't matter for us, since we *should* have the comparisons against the TUCs we've played (currently Princeton, Dartmouth, No Dak, SCSU, Yale, QU, and SLU) relatively solidly anyway (assuming that our past performance is a predictor of future results, of course).

Jeff Hopkins '82 · January 12, 2009, 04:56:19 PM

[quote KeithK][quote ganderson]Apropos of nothing, Pairwise rankings are up, and we're in second, behind (sucks to) BU. I know it's WAY too early to get excited about such things, but it's still nice.

Incidentally, although they're calculating record against TUC's, they're not awarding the point towards comparison for it. This strikes me as weird (especially as it flips our comparison with BU.

Anyone have any insight?[/quote]
The Pairwise are only now "up" in the sense that USCHo started posting them. SiouxSports and Whelan have had PWR for a while now. We were #1 a few weeks ago.

Here's my favorite PWR/tournament nightmare. Cornell finishes strong, returns to the tournament and captures a #1 regional seed. But only being ranked #3 or #4 in the PWR behind a couple of other eastern teams they get shipped to Marriucci against a regional field that includes big ice teams UNH and home team Minnesota.[/quote]

The regional at Manchester is at the Verizon Arena, where the Monarchs play, which means NHL-sized ice.

However, the way the PWR works out this week, if they hold the brakets to 1-16, 2-15, etc., Minny would be on the east coast and in our bracket. Since they need to be at home, would they move the whole bracket to Mariucci to maintain "bracket integrity"? What's more important to the Committee?

However, as others have said many times, there's still a lot of hockey to be played before then.

Chris '03 · January 12, 2009, 05:03:49 PM

[quote Jeff Hopkins '82][quote KeithK][quote ganderson]Apropos of nothing, Pairwise rankings are up, and we're in second, behind (sucks to) BU. I know it's WAY too early to get excited about such things, but it's still nice.

Incidentally, although they're calculating record against TUC's, they're not awarding the point towards comparison for it. This strikes me as weird (especially as it flips our comparison with BU.

Anyone have any insight?[/quote]
The Pairwise are only now "up" in the sense that USCHo started posting them. SiouxSports and Whelan have had PWR for a while now. We were #1 a few weeks ago.

Here's my favorite PWR/tournament nightmare. Cornell finishes strong, returns to the tournament and captures a #1 regional seed. But only being ranked #3 or #4 in the PWR behind a couple of other eastern teams they get shipped to Marriucci against a regional field that includes big ice teams UNH and home team Minnesota.[/quote]

The regional at Manchester is at the Verizon Arena, where the Monarchs play, which means NHL-sized ice.

However, the way the PWR works out this week, if they hold the brakets to 1-16, 2-15, etc., Minny would be on the east coast and in our bracket. Since they need to be at home, would they move the whole bracket to Mariucci to maintain "bracket integrity"? What's more important to the Committee?

However, as others have said many times, there's still a lot of hockey to be played before then.[/quote]

Of course if this whole regionalization thing goes through and only 4 teams are seeded, and if Cornell is a low 1 behind other eastern teams, they'd get shipped to be the top seed in an otherwise all western regional regardless of bracket integrity.

Robb · January 12, 2009, 05:07:27 PM

[quote Jeff Hopkins '82]However, the way the PWR works out this week, if they hold the brakets to 1-16, 2-15, etc., Minny would be on the east coast and in our bracket. Since they need to be at home, would they move the whole bracket to Mariucci to maintain "bracket integrity"? What's more important to the Committee?

However, as others have said many times, there's still a lot of hockey to be played before then.[/quote]
IIRC (and I may not), in the past they've placed the #1 seeds in their regions, filled out the brackets, and THEN swapped individual teams around to account for hosting and intra-conference matchups. The NC$$ appears to be putting on pressure to make travel considerations a bigger part of the equation, though, so who knows - seems like the selection & seeding criteria/process is never the same two years in a row.

Regardless of how they do it, it sure seems like things are shaping up to have at least 1 (if not 2) eastern teams sent west as #1 seeds, with Notre Dame the only "Western" team in the top 5 of PWR right now.

ebilmes · January 12, 2009, 05:09:48 PM

USA Today poll is out: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/hockey/usatmen.htm

As in the USCHO poll, we're 5th with two first place votes.