selection sunday on now.....

[ech32]

During its founding, Stanford as a university was modeled largely after Cornell. Andy White was asked to be its first president, but he declined. Half of Stanford's original faculty members were from Cornell (probably eager to leave for California). Even "Cardinal Red" was modeled after "Big Red".

Sources:
http://www-ee.stanford.edu/history.php
http://www.stanford.edu/home/stanford/history/begin.html

[ansky629]

From cornellbigred.com: "Cornell has just one senior on its roster and features four players with two more years of eligibility remaining after this year."

I thought that we had 5 players with 2 more years of eligibility...Wittman, Dale, Gore, Tyler and Foote...which one of them aren't counted?  I'm guessing either Gore or Foote or maybe it's just a mistake because we have more sophomores on the team than just Dale, Wittman and Tyler anyway

[jksnake06]

I'm upset. The committee is not supposed to take previous years into account but they clearly did in the case of Winthrop.

I'm also peeved that Siena was placed ahead of Cornell.

San Diego is also questionable but I can live with it.
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Cornell deserved the spot against Wash St. in Denver that was given to Winthrop. Instead, we get Stanford in Anaheim and its absolutely unfair.

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I'm a Stanford grad student, so I've seen the Cardinal live a few times this season:

My thoughts- this is a very interesting matchup. Almost always, the mid major tries to slow the pace down and the high major tries to push it. This game will (or at least should) be the reverse. There is one way to beat Stanford- PRESSURE THEIR GUARDS. Their guards are not good ball handlers and can be forced into bad decisions. By pressuring them, you also make it more difficult for them to get the ball inside. I'm thinking Jason Battle could be important in this game, but Louis Dale is going to need to win his matchup with Mitch Johnson- and I think he can.

The Lopez twins are tough. Both are big, strong and smart. The reason Brook is a future lottery pick and Robin is not is basically that Brook can shoot. Robin has enough offensive game, though, to have a field day if guarded by Hartford or Tyler.

Cornell's best shot is to make this game into a hectic, fast paced, 3 pt shooting contest.

This is a very bad draw for Cornell and I'll say it again- I'm not happy.

[min]

Just to add another take to the difference between a 13 and 14 seed: according to Wikipedia, since the tournament expanded to 64 teams in 1985, the #3 seed has beaten the #14 seed 77 times out of 92 (84%), and the #4 seed has beaten the #13 seed 74 times (80%). I'd say that's small percentage difference.

I already envy those who can make it to Anaheim. LGR!

[French Rage]

[quote jksnake06]

I'm a Stanford grad student, so I've seen the Cardinal live a few times this season:

My thoughts- this is a very interesting matchup. Almost always, the mid major tries to slow the pace down and the high major tries to push it. This game will (or at least should) be the reverse. There is one way to beat Stanford- PRESSURE THEIR GUARDS. Their guards are not good ball handlers and can be forced into bad decisions. By pressuring them, you also make it more difficult for them to get the ball inside. I'm thinking Jason Battle could be important in this game, but Louis Dale is going to need to win his matchup with Mitch Johnson- and I think he can.

The Lopez twins are tough. Both are big, strong and smart. The reason Brook is a future lottery pick and Robin is not is basically that Brook can shoot. Robin has enough offensive game, though, to have a field day if guarded by Hartford or Tyler.

Cornell's best shot is to make this game into a hectic, fast paced, 3 pt shooting contest.

This is a very bad draw for Cornell and I'll say it again- I'm not happy.[/quote]

Basically what I would say too.  Stanford got to where they are not by offense as much as defense.  Down low the story is all Lopez.  Brook has the offense advantage, while I think they are just as good on defense.  One of the strengths is relying on the other team to double-team one while leaving the other open for an easy inside basket.  Hill is also good, but not having the season he did last year.

Mitch Johnson definitely has a history of being mistake prone and sometimes seems to take more shots than he should; as a point and not shooting guard though he is able to get the job done though he may make a few bas turnovers over the course of the game.  Goods, however, can get on a roll from the outside, especially with 3s.  I don't think they are as bad defensively on the outside as people say, at least in terms of turnovers, though they may leave open more shots than they could, I just think the inside game is so much better that it makes people think the outside game is worse than it is.

[KeithK]

Good draw or bad I don't know.  But it would be seriously sweet if we could knock off Stanford (considering that I live in Stanford territory).

[upperdeck]

Its a good draw for CU. Standford's strength on D is inside play and CU doesnt need to take it in there to score.   and CU has decent size for an IVY and hustles well to loose balls..  stay out of foul trouble and make a decent number of 3's and CU can make it close late. CU doesnt want to play a team that smothers you and stanford doesnt do that which means CU has a small shot.  much better than playing someone like louisville who would play the up tempo pressing game..

[jaybert]

line is somewhere around +15.5/16.  Im waiting to see what the money line is...prolly gonna have a friend whose in vegas bet it for me.

[Hillel Hoffmann]

[quote jtwcornell91]Does anyone know what time the games in Anaheim are on Thursday?[/quote]

According to Cornell Athletics:

"The Ivy League men's basketball champion Cornell Big Red will open 2008 NCAA tournament play as the No. 14 seed in the South region and will meet No. 3 seed Stanford out of the Pac-10 Conference on Thursday, March 20 in Anaheim, Calif. Game time will be approximately 2 p.m. PT (5 p.m. ET), or 25 minutes after the completion of the Marquette/Kentucky game set for 11:30 PT (2:30 ET)."

[RichH]

[quote ech32]During its founding, Stanford as a university was modeled largely after Cornell. Andy White was asked to be its first president, but he declined. Half of Stanford's original faculty members were from Cornell (probably eager to leave for California). Even "Cardinal Red" was modeled after "Big Red".

Sources:
http://www-ee.stanford.edu/history.php
http://www.stanford.edu/home/stanford/history/begin.html[/quote]

Revenge for raiding our faculty 117 years ago!!  And again for raiding our physics department a few decades later!  And that football loss in 1991.  yeah.

"Harvard of the West" my ass.  Cornell of the West.  Say it!!   Who's your daddy?

LELAND STANFORD (pause) JUNIOR UNIVERSITY.  Nothing but a Junior University.

[ugarte]

[quote jksnake06]I'm upset. The committee is not supposed to take previous years into account but they clearly did in the case of Winthrop.

I'm also peeved that Siena was placed ahead of Cornell.

San Diego is also questionable but I can live with it.[/quote]
These are all such close calls, but I can see why the committee went the way that they did.

Winthrop, this year, won at Miami (FL), beat NIT bound Akron and a Georgia Tech team with 7 ACC wins. They also played a much tougher schedule than we did, with losses on the road to Baylor and West Virginia and at home to Davidson. They have some bad losses, sure, but they showed that they can run with the big teams. Winthrop's past success probably didn't hurt them either, but I'm not sure that a track record against top competition is an altogether bad tiebreaker for 13 and 14.

It is true that Siena lost to us, but they had two high profile wins: over Stanford and, in the Bracket Busters, on the road against Boise State.

San Diego finished their season by beating St. Mary's and Gonzaga and had regular season wins against St. Mary's and Kentucky. They also played a much tougher schedule than Cornell, including one brutal stretch of four games that included UNLV, USC and South Alabama.

The toughest game we played this year was at Duke, and the only other game that compares was Siena at Memphis (but they lost by almost 50, so our showing at Cameron was clearly more impressive). Our second toughest opponent? Arguably Syracuse, possibly Siena. We lost to Colgate and Bucknell.

After actually looking at the teams we were being compared to, 14 seems just about right.

[Greenberg '97]

The good news is that they don't have any games against them. The bad news is that the 5:00 game is the only one that isn't televised on the east coast.  CBS usually breaks for the local news until the 7:00 games.

So, who's organizing Ship of Fools?

And while we're on the subject, does anyone know where I can watch Cornell-Harvard hockey in Charleston, SC, the following day?

[Rita]

[quote Greenberg '97]The good news is that they don't have any games against them. The bad news is that the 5:00 game is the only one that isn't televised on the east coast.  CBS usually breaks for the local news until the 7:00 games.

So, who's organizing Ship of Fools?

And while we're on the subject, does anyone know where I can watch Cornell-Harvard hockey in Charleston, SC, the following day?[/quote]

The ECAC semis are being carried live on the NHL Network, channel 215 on Direct TV. NHLN is on 24/7 so the sports bar should be able to determine that they have it (or not) quite easily.

Good luck finding a place!

[ugarte]

And in the wee hours of Selection Sunday ... Brown was tabbed to play in the CBI, the tournament for the teams on the NIT bubble. They play Ohio in the first round, a team that beat Cornell 102-89 way back in November - before the Big Red learned how to play defense.

[CornellFan]

And before Jeff Foote was eligible...