selection sunday on now.....

[Jordan 04]

[quote Oat][quote Greenberg '97][quote Oat]Is the NCAA selection a human-based process or is it a statistics-based mathematical formula?[/quote]

Yes.[/quote]

so what is it?[/quote]

It's both.

[redGrinch]

There's usually 3 afternoon slots and 2 evening slots for the games.  The evening slots are about 730pm (EDT) and 10pm (EDT)... give or take about 20 minutes.  The afternoon slots start about noon, 230pm and 5pm EDT; again give or take 20 minutes.  The west coast games get the later slots.

Game times won't get decided until CBS decided who it wants to feature at which times.

[jaybert]

ahh, makes sense.  Not sure why I thought each of the regions had set sites for the 1st/2nd rounds.  

[quote Rita][quote jaybert]how do the locations work?  I was following what ESPN had for locations, which is why i thought it was just d.c. or tampa[/quote]

The locations are "pods". Each "pod" has 8 teams, 4 of which are linked (i.e. 1 v. 16 and 8 v. 9 teams). However, the each pod can have 2 groups of teams from different regions (based on the master bracket).

What the NC$$ has been doing for about the past 4-5 years is placing teams, especially the higher seeds, in the pods location closest to their home to minimize travel.

Thus even though the "East region" has Tampa and DC hosting games, as pods Tampa is hosting a set of teams from the midwest and west brackets. Similarly, DC is hosting teams 2 sets of teams from the west. Traveling to DC is a lot easier for  Xavier and Duke compared to Denver/Anaheim.[/quote]

[Rita]

[quote Jordan 04][quote Oat][quote Greenberg '97][quote Oat]Is the NCAA selection a human-based process or is it a statistics-based mathematical formula?[/quote]

Yes.[/quote]

so what is it?[/quote]

It's both.[/quote]

ESPN's Andy Katz (and some other people who cover college basketball), went to Bracket School where they played the role of the committee and tried to fill out the tournament field.

[HeafDog]

Well, so much for driving to DC or to Raleigh.

I hate Stanford.  Grade inflation up the wazoo.

I also think it's lame that we're all the way in freaking Anaheim.  Like that's fair.  We'll have all of, what, five Cornell fans in attendance?

Where are we watching the game in NYC on Thursday?  Ship Of Fools, anyone?  Can we rent out the middle room, just like always?

[DeltaOne81]

[quote HeafDog]Well, so much for driving to DC or to Raleigh.

I hate Stanford.  Grade inflation up the wazoo.

I also think it's lame that we're all the way in freaking Anaheim.  Like that's fair.  We'll have all of, what, five Cornell fans in attendance?

Where are we watching the game in NYC on Thursday?  Ship Of Fools, anyone?  Can we rent out the middle room, just like always?[/quote]

While it kinda sucks we're in the west, you can't really argue that the committee should be concerned about being 'fair' (and lets be honest 'fair' for 'your team' means special consideration) for a 14 seed with basically no chance. What are you saying, that we'd draw? Like the NCAA couldn't sell twice the tickets they have available anyway.

[dbilmes]

[quote jtwcornell91]Does anyone know what time the games in Anaheim are on Thursday?[/quote]

They usually don't announce the game times until Monday. With our luck they'll make Cornell the last game of the day in Anaheim, perhaps at 10 or 11 p.m. EST.

[HeafDog]

[quote DeltaOne81]Like the NCAA couldn't sell twice the tickets they have available anyway.[/quote]

Sure, but the NCAA shouldn't just be about selling tickets to the highest bidder. They should be about making sure that even schools like us get to have fun and participate, even if it's only once every twenty freaking years.

[Jordan 04]

[quote HeafDog][quote DeltaOne81]Like the NCAA couldn't sell twice the tickets they have available anyway.[/quote]

Sure, but the NCAA shouldn't just be about selling tickets to the highest bidder. They should be about making sure that even schools like us get to have fun and participate, especially if it's only once every twenty freaking years.[/quote]

FYP

[ugarte]

[quote HeafDog][quote DeltaOne81]Like the NCAA couldn't sell twice the tickets they have available anyway.[/quote]

Sure, but the NCAA shouldn't just be about selling tickets to the highest bidder. They should be about making sure that even schools like us get to have fun and participate, even if it's only once every twenty freaking years.[/quote]
Cornell will sell their 400 ticket allotment to LA area alumni without much trouble. There is no reason for the NCAA to give any consideration to traveling fans for the 14 seed.

I'd rather have had a 13, of course, but I don't see finishing behind Winthrop or San Diego - both of whom have better wins than we do - as a big deal.

And as for playing Stanford in the first round, I like this easy, lazy transitive: Cornell > Siena > Stanford.

[upperdeck]

stanford is a good draw for CU.. they are a team that tries to play big and doesnt really play outside D.. they stuff the inside.. CU will get all the 3's it wants.. the issue is can we rebound to stop 2nd chance pts.

[Rita]

It does suck that Cornell gets shipped west whereas Georgia (also a #14 seed) gets to go to DC despite a very poor regular season conference record (4-12 or something like that).

Yeah, Georgia did what they needed to do to get their conference's autobid, but still, it would have been nice if the committee somehow acknowledged Cornell's conference record and kept them in the Eastern time zone.  Oh well.

[French Rage]

[quote HeafDog]I hate Stanford.  Grade inflation up the wazoo.[/quote]

I disagree, I feel it is a fine academic institution, the perfect followup for a studious young person after 4 years on the hill.  The real injustice is that these two fine instituion must play each other in the first round of the tournament.

[ugarte]

[quote Rita]It does suck that Cornell gets shipped west whereas Georgia (also a #14 seed) gets to go to DC despite a very poor regular season conference record (4-12 or something like that).

Yeah, Georgia did what they needed to do to get their conference's autobid, but still, it would have been nice if the committee somehow acknowledged Cornell's conference record and kept them in the Eastern time zone.  Oh well.[/quote]
In all seriousness, Cornell's record all season doesn't all year doesn't compare to what Georgia did this past week. We are doubtful that we are going to beat Stanford and our best win was over 13 seed Siena. In the last four days Georgia beat a bubble team (Ole Miss), an 8 (Miss. St.), a 9 (Arkansas) and an 11 (Kentucky), not to mention regular season wins against Arkansas and USC (6 seed). Georgia got a 14 seed because they are 17-16, but I sure as hell don't think that Cornell would be the favorite if they played each other.

Also, someone asked if Georgia bumped us down to 14, but since they are a 14 also, I doubt it. The bigger win was probably Temple's win over St. Joes. Since Temple still only got a 12, while St. Joe was an 11, it is possible that St. Joe was in win or lose, but Temple needed the win to get   an at-large bid.

[French Rage]

Also, regarding common opponents (Harcard, Yale, Siena) Cornell is 5-0 and Stanford is 2-1.

Last year's Stanford/Louisville matchup meant it was Cardinal vs Cardinal, now it's Big Red vs Cardinal Red.  I for one could do without these witty theme matchups.