[W. Hoops] 3-way tie for the Championship!

[RichH]

Dartmouth hockey broadcast reporting a 3-way tie for the Ivy title.  This means that Harvard lost to Yale, and Dartmouth and Cornell won.

Cornell beats Princeton 76-59

First Ivy Championship ever for Women's Basketball!

[djk26]

Wow, that's great.  Congratulations to the women's team.

Does anyone have a link to the full tiebreaking procedures in the Ivy League?  A few years ago, when the men's teams for Princeton, Penn and Yale finished tied, there was a two-game playoff: Princeton vs. Yale, the winner vs. Penn.  It was done this way because Penn had a superior head-to-head record, so they received a "first round bye".

That year, I read in an article, "The Ivy League is so fair-minded that it has tie-breaking procedures for an eight-team tie."  At the time, I thought, "Let's not go so excited about fair-mindedness.  If you're not going to have a postseason tournament, you have to prepare for every possibility."  Given the history-making success of both Cornell basketball teams, I've finally seen that basketball is more exciting without a postseason tournament.  (I have to imagine that a eight way tie would lead to some kind of tournament, which is why I would love to read the full tie breaking procedures.)

But for the women's teams this year, Cornell is 1-1 against Harvard and Dartmouth, D is 1-1 against H and C, and H is 1-1 against D and C.  That's as close as you can get.

[ech32]

From cornellbigred.com:

"The three teams will play a series of one-game playoffs this Friday and Sunday, March 14 and 16, at Columbia's Levien Gym to determine who will earn the Ivy League's automatic berth to the NCAA tournament."

[imafrshmn]

[quote ech32]From cornellbigred.com:

"The three teams will play a series of one-game playoffs this Friday and Sunday, March 14 and 16, at Columbia's Levien Gym to determine who will earn the Ivy League's automatic berth to the NCAA tournament."[/quote]

As in a round robin tournament??  What happens should all teams win once?

[ugarte]

[quote imafrshmn][quote ech32]From cornellbigred.com:

"The three teams will play a series of one-game playoffs this Friday and Sunday, March 14 and 16, at Columbia's Levien Gym to determine who will earn the Ivy League's automatic berth to the NCAA tournament."[/quote]

As in a round robin tournament??  What happens should all teams win once?[/quote]
Source: http://ivyleaguesports.com/article.asp?intID=6458

The seeds are yet to be determined, because the tie-breaker failed to yield a resolution after Penn upset Columbia. The seeds will be determined by random draw in the coming days.

[Trotsky]

Makes it sound like a random drawing results in two games:

#3 vs #2
Winner vs #1

"Let's draw well!  Let's draw well!"

[jdonofrio]

That's a stupid system.

[Chris '03]

[quote jdonofrio]That's a stupid system.[/quote]

And what would you propose? A series of mini-games with most total points getting the bid? I'm glad they actually play the playoff and don't just pick a name out of a hat like in other sports. Also glad they're playing in NYC. My money was on Boston with any DC/CU matchup at H and any H game at one of the dozen local schools. Hope a lot of cornellians can get out to the game(s).

It's worth noting that the winner of the 2/3 game will likely get the NIT bid awarded to #2 in the conference. NIT gets to choose though so in theory a team like harvard might be more to their liking than say cornell... But as greg said, let's draw well.

The last time cornell was in a draw situation that I recall they lost in the PU/DC/CU mens lax title draw in '03.

[ugarte]

[quote jdonofrio]That's a stupid system.[/quote]
It obviously wasn't the first choice for setting the schedule. If the Penn-Columbia game mattered, then there were obviously a head-to-head and record-against-top-X-teams to select the teams in the first game.

[Trotsky]

[quote Chris '03]And what would you propose? A series of mini-games with most total points getting the bid?[/quote]Three halves, AB, BC, and CA, play on Friday.  Lowest point total drops out, and the other two play a full game Sunday for the title.

Of course what I would really propose is that the Ivy men and women play a three day championship tournament at MSG with the two winning teams getting the autobids.  That might even get two Ivy teams into the tournament some year.

[ugarte]

[quote Trotsky][quote Chris '03]And what would you propose? A series of mini-games with most total points getting the bid?[/quote]Three halves, AB, BC, and CA, play on Friday.  Lowest point total drops out, and the other two play a full game Sunday for the title.

Of course what I would really propose is that the Ivy men and women play a three day championship tournament at MSG with the two winning teams getting the autobids.  That might even get two Ivy teams into the tournament some year.[/quote]
If that is unlikely in men's basketball - and it really is - it is totally laughable in women's basketball where we the Ivy champ far more often than not is a 15 or 16.

[jksnake06]

It's obviously a huge advantage for the "1 seed."

The fair way to do it would be to play game 2 at the homecourt of whoever wins game 1.  That way, the team who only has to win 1 game would at least have to do it on the road.

Of course, due to logistics, this would never happen.

[Adara]

According to the CU athletics site schedule, Cornell received the bye...

http://www.cornellbigred.com/schedules.asp?path=wbball

[Chris '03]

[quote Adara]According to the CU athletics site schedule, Cornell received the bye...

http://www.cornellbigred.com/schedules.asp?path=wbball[/quote]

Fantastic (presuming the schedule is accurate)! Nothing from DC or the league, but Harvard's schedule now shows a Friday game against Dartmouth. http://www.gocrimson.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9000&KEY=&SPID=3682&SPSID=41130

[Adara]

The league site is now updated with the same info already stated on the CU and HU sites.

http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/article.asp?intID=6458

I hope there's a good turnout on Sunday for the game.  It'll end with enough time for everyone to head somewhere to catch the Selection show at 6pm.