Princeton 2 Cornell 1 postgame

[billhoward]

Cornell wins two one-goal OT games in the national sports of Canada Friday night and Saturday afternoon plus the basketball team knocks off the toughest 2007-08 opponent, so in the scheme of things the 2-1 loss at Princeton was digestable.

Princeton won the first period, it was even in the second, and Cornell dominated the third with real hustle and at least a half-dozen solid scoring chances that just went wide or the pass skipped over a stick or the pass arrived a millisecond too early or late. This was pretty much the tone of the game:

Shots by Period
Team   1 2  3 Tot
COR    7 6 11 24
PRIN  13 8  3 24

Funny feeling playing in Princeton against a team that once in a while beats you but is always inferior ... but this year is probably the better team. But not better enough that we couldn't take them should there be a playoff.

Friday Quinnipiac's game plan was to bodycheck everything in red. Saturday Princeton's plan was, in part, to check the crap out of Riley Nash. He got hammered including once crossing over the Princeton blue line in the first. Either that was part of the game plan (likely) or he wasn't having a heads-up night (less likely, since he still was magical around the net but again without any points to show for the magic).

Awesome first (actually only) Cornell goal, a PPG, where Topher put a pinpoint pass on the stick of Mike Devin. That and Cornell's Friday PPG made me feel a lot better about the Cornell power play. Princeton was also pretty easy to defend against on their power plays, notwithstanding that the GWG was a PPG. It came about this way: Princeton hammered a bunch of Cornell players and most of the Conrell fans who could see down in the corner in front of the Big Red band were yelling for a penalty against Princeton, and what emerged five seconds later was a high sticking whistle against Ray Sawada.

Brendon Nash got called for a cross-check and game misconduct for a cheap shot hit after the end of the game (cheap shot unless we missed a spear or something by Princeton that set off Nash; Princeton's Mike Moore got 2 minutes for roughing which apeared to be retaliation not instigating). Let's hope the score sheet has it right as a misconduct and not game disqualification for next Friday.

There's lots of pices of the game to like about Cornell hockey -- pieces more so than the whole -- and right now, realistically speaking, we've got a good shot at making the final four of the ECAC quarterfinals and then we'll have to see. That's based on how the team looks after this weekend. I think I'd rather go up against Princeton one more time than Quinnipiac. We're a team that would benefit immensely from the time to heal a first-round bye would afford us. If we let the puck wind up in the slot in front of Scrivens as happened Friday, we're toast; if we play as we did in Saturday's third period, we could play the best of the WCHA evenly (with our luck to a scoreless tie).

Some non-attendees asked if the Quinnipiac crowd was a bunch of rank amateurs with no hockey smarts. Saturday I got the sense that the Princeton occasionally faithful, who show for us and Harvard, hadn't a clue about the game. A women in front of me yelled, "That's pass interference." Princeton slapshots that went wide got great rounds of applause, effectively proportional to how hard they caromed (wide) off the dasher boards. Guy two seats over saw the Princeton sieve reach to the outside of the net to snag a Cornell shot from the corner that went wide (it would have hit the side of the net) and couldn't stop babbling about how great the save was.

All the warnings we got about the place being sold out and only those who got there right at 6 pm when SRO tickets went on sale would get in ... nonsense. Instead of the usual 500 empty seats (out of 2000), maybe there were 400. On the sides, Baker rink is only six rows deep, but that's all Princeton needs. Hobey Baker Rink remains the nicest prep school hockey rink in all America.

But first, a rematch with Harvard. LGR.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote billhoward]But first, a rematch with Harvard. LGR.[/quote]

No, first Dartmouth. Didn't want the gods thinking we were saying a win before we play it.::dribble::

But another great post, Bill.

[lynah80]

[quote billhoward]
Princeton won the first period, it was even in the second, and Cornell dominated the third with real hustle and at least a half-dozen solid scoring chances that just went wide or the pass skipped over a stick or the pass arrived a millisecond too early or late. [/quote]

I agree with most of what you have written.  However, I think we should give Princeton a little more credit for their play at the end of the second period.  The shot by Cam MacIntyre with less than a minute to go went into the Cornell net and bounced back out before the ref could see it.  Apparently, the goal judge was either not paying attention at the time, or his view of the puck was obscured.  The final score should have been 3-1.

It will be very interesting to see what happens next weekend in Potsdam.  I think Clarkson will win, given how well they play at home.  However, I think Princeton's fast-skating offense will give them a good scare and a lot to think about before they possibly meet again in Albany.

[Beeeej]

[quote lynah80]However, I think we should give Princeton a little more credit for their play at the end of the second period.  The shot by Cam MacIntyre with less than a minute to go went into the Cornell net and bounced back out before the ref could see it.  Apparently, the goal judge was either not paying attention at the time, or his view of the puck was obscured.  The final score should have been 3-1.[/quote]

I disagree; I may not have had as good a view of the play as you, but I would have sworn that the shot went off the post - at best, the inside of the post.  The angle of the puck's exit didn't make sense to me in the context of a goal.  Either way, neither the goal judge nor the ref saw it, and there's no replay.

[Beeeej]

[quote billhoward]Guy two seats over saw the Princeton sieve reach to the outside of the net to snag a Cornell shot from the corner that went wide (it would have hit the side of the net) and couldn't stop babbling about how great the save was.[/quote]

That raises a rules question for me about a play in the first period: Cornell had entered the Princeton zone, Princeton cleared the puck, and before the last Cornell player had cleared the zone, another one dumped it back in with a high, wide shot.  Kalemba came out of the net and reached several feet to his right, very clearly wide of the goalpost, to grab the puck - and an assistant ref blew the play dead as offsides.

Am I crazy, or doesn't a shot on goal actually have to be a shot on goal to trigger an offsides call?

[Jacob '06]

[quote Beeeej][quote billhoward]Guy two seats over saw the Princeton sieve reach to the outside of the net to snag a Cornell shot from the corner that went wide (it would have hit the side of the net) and couldn't stop babbling about how great the save was.[/quote]

That raises a rules question for me about a play in the first period: Cornell had entered the Princeton zone, Princeton cleared the puck, and before the last Cornell player had cleared the zone, another one dumped it back in with a high, wide shot.  Kalemba came out of the net and reached several feet to his right, very clearly wide of the goalpost, to grab the puck - and an assistant ref blew the play dead as offsides.

Am I crazy, or doesn't a shot on goal actually have to be a shot on goal to trigger an offsides call?[/quote]
I think the general call is going to be anything that appears to be an attempt at a shot on goal. Too lazy to look up the rule, but I'm guessing that the spirit of the rule is that you can whistle it on a wide shot because you can whistle it on a guy hovering near the puck but not touching it.

[lynah80]

If the puck had hit the post, everyone would have heard it ring since the puck was hit pretty hard.

[David Harding]

[quote Beeeej][quote billhoward]Guy two seats over saw the Princeton sieve reach to the outside of the net to snag a Cornell shot from the corner that went wide (it would have hit the side of the net) and couldn't stop babbling about how great the save was.[/quote]

That raises a rules question for me about a play in the first period: Cornell had entered the Princeton zone, Princeton cleared the puck, and before the last Cornell player had cleared the zone, another one dumped it back in with a high, wide shot.  Kalemba came out of the net and reached several feet to his right, very clearly wide of the goalpost, to grab the puck - and an assistant ref blew the play dead as offsides.

Am I crazy, or doesn't a shot on goal actually have to be a shot on goal to trigger an offsides call?[/quote]
Did it look as though Kalemba was going to drop the puck instantly for a teammate to play?  In normal play he has three seconds to get rid of the puck after catching it.  Maybe the assistant ref didn't see "a clear opening for advancing the puck."  Or maybe they just blew it.

d. If an attacking player precedes the puck, which is shot, passed or deflected into the attacking zone, but a defending player is able to play the puck, the official shall signal a delayed offside. If a puck is shot on goal, however, play shall be stopped immediately for the offside violation.
The official shall drop the arm to nullify the offside violation and allow play to continue if:
(1) The defending team passes or carries the puck into the neutral zone, or
(2) All attacking players in the attacking zone clear the zone by making skate contact with the attacking blue line.
If the attacking team does not clear the attacking zone, the official shall stop play for the offside violation if any attacking player touches the puck, or attempts to gain possession of a loose puck while the puck is still in the attacking zone, or forces the defending puck carrier further back into the attacking zone.
The attacking zone must be completely clear of attacking players before a delayed offside can be nullified with the puck still in the attacking zone....
e. Whenever a defensive player gains possession of the puck on a delayed offside, play should not be stopped when that player has a clear opening for advancing the puck.

[billhoward]

Anyone else at the game get the sense Princeton was targeting Riley Nash? Or was Nash just randomly unfortunate to get in front of a half-dozen crunching body checks?

[Jim Hyla]

[quote Beeeej][quote lynah80]However, I think we should give Princeton a little more credit for their play at the end of the second period.  The shot by Cam MacIntyre with less than a minute to go went into the Cornell net and bounced back out before the ref could see it.  Apparently, the goal judge was either not paying attention at the time, or his view of the puck was obscured.  The final score should have been 3-1.[/quote]

I disagree; I may not have had as good a view of the play as you, but I would have sworn that the shot went off the post - at best, the inside of the post.  The angle of the puck's exit didn't make sense to me in the context of a goal.  Either way, neither the goal judge nor the ref saw it, and there's no replay.[/quote]

Hey, Didn't anyone watch Age's replay. He put it up during the game. Or maybe those of you who attend an occasional game or two,:-P don't go back and read the game thread. It's clear that the puck was in. The ref was screened, but I don't know why the goal judge didn't see it, other than it was fast.

Go back and review it. All the Cornell players stopped and  Princeton celebrated. So both teams thought it was a goal. Princeton only can blame their own goal judge.

[ACM]

When I try playing back the file Age posted, I get 19 seconds of pure black nothing. QuickTime 7.4.1 tells me that QuickTime needs "additional software" to play the file properly, and directs me to a page listing a dozen different things. I'm not in the mood to install a dozen pieces of software just to watch 19 seconds of video. Can anybody give me a clue to help me figure out exactly which codec / extension / whatever this thing requires?

[DeltaOne81]

Yup,Age's replay shows it clearly in the net if you pause on the right frame. Here's the link for those who missed it in the game thread (or were at the game and didn't read the game thread that closely):
http://www.elynah.com/media/misc/prinogoal.mov

Beeeej, it came out like that because it hit the padded bottom post at the back of the net. Edit: I see why you thought that though, when it came out it came out passing *right* by the inside of the post, but it started well back from that.

Arthur, I looked into it a little bit and the file is actually a Windows Media video. If you're on a Mac, you'll need "Flip4Mac" which is software that lets QT play WMV. On a PC, you may want to save the file, (perhaps optionally?) change the extension to .wmv, and play it in Windows Media.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote DeltaOne81]Yup,Age's replay shows it clearly in the net if you pause on the right frame. Here's the link for those who missed it in the game thread (or were at the game and didn't read the game thread that closely):
http://www.elynah.com/media/misc/prinogoal.mov

Beeeej, it came out like that because it hit the padded bottom post at the back of the net. Dunno what angle you thought you saw, but it was in.

Arthur, I looked into it a little bit and the file is actually a Windows Media video. If you're on a Mac, you'll need "Flip4Mac" which is software that lets QT play WMV. On a PC, you may want to save the file, (perhaps optionally?) change the extension to .wmv, and play it in Windows Media.[/quote]

Isn't it actually a QT .mov file? That's the extension I get when I load it or toggle over the link above. It easily opens on QT on my Mac and QT asks for extra software on my PC. I never tried to get all that on my PC, the Mac being much easier.

I suspect once Age gets around to it he'll correct all of us.::starwars::

[DeltaOne81]

[quote Jim Hyla]
Isn't it actually a QT .mov file? That's the extension I get when I load it or toggle over the link above. It easily opens on QT on my Mac and QT asks for extra software on my PC. I never tried to get all that on my PC, the Mac being much easier.

I suspect once Age gets around to it he'll correct all of us.::starwars::[/quote]

A QT .mov file can actually contain many things - various sorts of MPEGs, etc. In this case I checked it with VLC and it tells me the audio is WMA and the video is WMV3. It'll play fine on QT a Mac with Flip4Mac installed - which is mostly the default now-a-days since MS stopped developing Windows Media for Mac a while back.

Again MS's unevenness between the platforms causes issues, but, in this particular case, its more annoying for PC users... 'bout time

[Beeeej]

Jim - I don't know about you, but I'm a fairly busy guy, and when I actually attend the game I rarely read the game thread.  More to the point, I have no reason to expect that anybody has posted a video clip in the game thread that would precisely answer a point I make in the post-game thread; in fact, I would be surprised to see something like that in the game thread instead of in the post-game thread.  I really can't tell you the last time someone posted a video clip in the game thread at all.  So while I appreciated someone else's helpful direction to the clip, I'm not sure I appreciated yours at all.

The clip clearly shows a goal, though.  Thanks, Age, for posting it.