Recruiting and Financial Aid

[jeh25]

[quote metaezra]As for the apples and flowers comment, need I remind you that agricultural research is an explicit part of Cornell's educational mission as the land grant institution for the State of New York? Anybody familiar with Cornell's role in the green revolution in India can tell you that the apples and flowers are worth it -- maybe not for Cornell, per se, but for the human condition. [/quote]

Right. I was going to make the same point. Ever look at an *international* ranking of elite colleges? Cornell frequently blows other Ivies out of the water. And at least some of that prestige comes from the Ag school and Vet school and the role they played in the green revolution.

Interestingly, when I was working at Yale, I got roped into being on camera for a BBC film crew. While setting up and shooing B-roll, the host was asking about what the Ivy league was, who was in it, etc. From our conversation, it was very clear that lowly Cornell was much more renowned internationally than pretty much every other Ivy but Harvard.

[Beeeej]

[quote jeh25][quote Beeeej]
Okay, you're switching premises, but let's go with this one as long as we're at it.

Do you understand how endowments work?[/quote]

I'll take nursing scholarships that Cornell can't touch for $100, Alex.






EDIT: oops. now I see that you already raised the nursing school issue in a later post. Nevermind.[/quote]

That's what you get for making bimonthly strafing runs.  :-)

[Rosey]

Waaahhh... the mating call of the loser.

Cornell (and the other 4 non-HYP Ivies) need to quit trying to cripple HYP and put up.  No excuses: just figure out a way to do it.  If they really want to, they can figure it out.

More brutally: using sports league competitiveness as a reason not to fulfill your mission of providing education to the brightest students irrespective of need is laughable when it fails, and despicable when it succeeds.

Kyle

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote jeh25][Right. I was going to make the same point. Ever look at an *international* ranking of elite colleges? Cornell frequently blows other Ivies out of the water. And at least some of that prestige comes from the Ag school and Vet school and the role they played in the green revolution.
[/quote]
Excellent point, John.  

I can't recall if it was a full-blown presentation or just a one-on-one discussion with him in his office,but I once heard Dave Call, Ag dean back in the '80s talk at length about the contributions of the Ag school and its impact on the rest of the world, in particular in terms of the ability to feed it.  Very impressive.  He was, too, by the way.

[ugarte]

[quote krose]More brutally: using sports league competitiveness as a reason not to fulfill your mission of providing education to the brightest students irrespective of need is laughable when it fails, and despicable when it succeeds.[/quote]
Second. I'll reconsider if H, Y and P recruiting starts to undermine the academic index or whatever the standard the Ivies are supposed to be using for athlete admissions is called.

[Rosey]

[quote ugarte]Second. I'll reconsider if H, Y and P recruiting starts to undermine the academic index or whatever the standard the Ivies are supposed to be using for athlete admissions is called.[/quote]
Holy shit, did we agree on something?  Everyone start praying now: the rapture is nigh upon us!

Kyle

[ugarte]

[quote krose][quote ugarte]Second. I'll reconsider if H, Y and P recruiting starts to undermine the academic index or whatever the standard the Ivies are supposed to be using for athlete admissions is called.[/quote]
Holy shit, did we agree on something?  Everyone start praying now: the rapture is nigh upon us![/quote]
Don't think I didn't notice. I think it is because I chased Benadryl with turpentine.

[Josh '99]

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote jeh25][Right. I was going to make the same point. Ever look at an *international* ranking of elite colleges? Cornell frequently blows other Ivies out of the water. And at least some of that prestige comes from the Ag school and Vet school and the role they played in the green revolution.
[/quote]
Excellent point, John.  

I can't recall if it was a full-blown presentation or just a one-on-one discussion with him in his office,but I once heard Dave Call, Ag dean back in the '80s talk at length about the contributions of the Ag school and its impact on the rest of the world, in particular in terms of the ability to feed it.  Very impressive.  He was, too, by the way.[/quote]Which is all well and good but it doesn't help us recruit hockey players.

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote Josh '99][quote Al DeFlorio][quote jeh25][Right. I was going to make the same point. Ever look at an *international* ranking of elite colleges? Cornell frequently blows other Ivies out of the water. And at least some of that prestige comes from the Ag school and Vet school and the role they played in the green revolution.
[/quote]
Excellent point, John.  

I can't recall if it was a full-blown presentation or just a one-on-one discussion with him in his office,but I once heard Dave Call, Ag dean back in the '80s talk at length about the contributions of the Ag school and its impact on the rest of the world, in particular in terms of the ability to feed it.  Very impressive.  He was, too, by the way.[/quote]Which is all well and good but it doesn't help us recruit hockey players.[/quote]
Is it possible to have a narrower view of the world than yours, Josh.  Did you have a point to make other than to demonstrate that?

[ugarte]

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote Josh '99][quote Al DeFlorio][quote jeh25][Right. I was going to make the same point. Ever look at an *international* ranking of elite colleges? Cornell frequently blows other Ivies out of the water. And at least some of that prestige comes from the Ag school and Vet school and the role they played in the green revolution.
[/quote]
Excellent point, John.  

I can't recall if it was a full-blown presentation or just a one-on-one discussion with him in his office,but I once heard Dave Call, Ag dean back in the '80s talk at length about the contributions of the Ag school and its impact on the rest of the world, in particular in terms of the ability to feed it.  Very impressive.  He was, too, by the way.[/quote]Which is all well and good but it doesn't help us recruit hockey players.[/quote]
Is it possible to have a narrower view of the world than yours, Josh.  Did you have a point to make other than to demonstrate that?[/quote]
Somebody please recalibrate Al's joke detector. Thanks in advance.

[Josh '99]

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote Josh '99][quote Al DeFlorio][quote jeh25][Right. I was going to make the same point. Ever look at an *international* ranking of elite colleges? Cornell frequently blows other Ivies out of the water. And at least some of that prestige comes from the Ag school and Vet school and the role they played in the green revolution.
[/quote]
Excellent point, John.  

I can't recall if it was a full-blown presentation or just a one-on-one discussion with him in his office,but I once heard Dave Call, Ag dean back in the '80s talk at length about the contributions of the Ag school and its impact on the rest of the world, in particular in terms of the ability to feed it.  Very impressive.  He was, too, by the way.[/quote]Which is all well and good but it doesn't help us recruit hockey players.[/quote]
Is it possible to have a narrower view of the world than yours, Josh.  Did you have a point to make other than to demonstrate that?[/quote]What the fuck, Al?  This is a message board for the discussion of Cornell hockey; the first sentence in the first post in this thread reads "The Sun is running an excellent article on the impact that the recent sea change in financial aid policies at certain institutions will have on Ivy recruiting."  It's wonderful that Cornell has great name recognition around the world, and everyone is happy for you that you had a nice talk with the Dean of the Ag School back in the '80s, but the idea that you've decided I have a narrow world view for making a post that's related to the topic of this thread is ridiculous.

[jeh25]

[quote Josh '99][quote Al DeFlorio][quote jeh25]Right. I was going to make the same point. Ever look at an *international* ranking of elite colleges? Cornell frequently blows other Ivies out of the water. And at least some of that prestige comes from the Ag school and Vet school and the role they played in the green revolution.
[/quote]
Excellent point, John.  

I can't recall if it was a full-blown presentation or just a one-on-one discussion with him in his office,but I once heard Dave Call, Ag dean back in the '80s talk at length about the contributions of the Ag school and its impact on the rest of the world, in particular in terms of the ability to feed it.  Very impressive.  He was, too, by the way.[/quote]Which is all well and good but it doesn't help us recruit hockey players.[/quote]

{You forgot poland!}
I believe Jason Elliot was from Chapman, Australia...
{/You forgot Poland}

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote Josh '99][What the fuck, Al?[/quote]
You want to know "what the fuck," Josh?  I'll tell you "what the fuck."  metaezra wrote a paragraph on the impact of Cornell's ag school on the rest of the world.  John gave a personal anecdote confirming metaezra's statement.  I followed--quoting both--with a personal anecdote of my own, the point point of which was that even someone quite close to Cornell (me) could easily not have a real sense of what our university has done for and therefore how it is viewed by the rest of the world, without having been given the chance to hear of it directly.  You then come along and lay an uncalled-for cheap shot on me.  That's "what the fuck."

If you think I'm the cause of drift on this thread, I'd suggest you read it more carefully.  And I'd also suggest that many--I'd say most--of the participants here are able, after 72 posts, to handle side-topics developed from "the first sentence in the first post on this thread."

[Jim Hyla]

[quote ugarte][quote Al DeFlorio][quote Josh '99][quote Al DeFlorio][quote jeh25][Right. I was going to make the same point. Ever look at an *international* ranking of elite colleges? Cornell frequently blows other Ivies out of the water. And at least some of that prestige comes from the Ag school and Vet school and the role they played in the green revolution.
[/quote]
Excellent point, John.  

I can't recall if it was a full-blown presentation or just a one-on-one discussion with him in his office,but I once heard Dave Call, Ag dean back in the '80s talk at length about the contributions of the Ag school and its impact on the rest of the world, in particular in terms of the ability to feed it.  Very impressive.  He was, too, by the way.[/quote]Which is all well and good but it doesn't help us recruit hockey players.[/quote]
Is it possible to have a narrower view of the world than yours, Josh.  Did you have a point to make other than to demonstrate that?[/quote]
Somebody please recalibrate Al's joke detector. Thanks in advance.[/quote]

Well here we go again. I think I agree with ugarte that Josh was probably trying to be funny, but we shouldn't have to try and decipher whether something is meant in jest. That is why we have emoticons. Age has provided us with more than we need for these usual cases. Please use them.

As has been said before, the problem with written internet communication is that we cannot see the body or facial signals that we do in person. Thus we are not always able to understand intent. Non-verbal clues are important; on the internet those are emoticons.

Now if Josh can just post that he was trying to be funny and not critical, this can end; unless, of course, he was really in attack mode. If so, I know a good wrestling facility.**]

[Josh '99]

[quote Al DeFlorio]You then come along and lay an uncalled-for cheap shot on me.  That's "what the fuck."[/quote]I did what?  You were the one who accused me of having a "narrow[] view of the world".

[quote Jim Hyla]Now if Josh can just post that he was trying to be funny and not critical, this can end; unless, of course, he was really in attack mode.[/quote]I wasn't before.  I don't take kindly to being insulted for no apparent reason.

By the way, I'm done with this.  I have no desire to have a flame war on this board.  If you'd like to respond, Al, you're welcome to do so, but be aware that I won't be doing so anymore.