St. Lawrence post-game

[cth95]

As I said, two students each with a drum at SLU(t) (The one with the big marching band drum was whaling on it about as hard as he could, the other had a snare drum so it wasn't quite as loud) and a Clarkson band member drumming during play certainly seem to fit rule b and c, respectively.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote amerks127]

If I am mistaken, and you are not the guy with the #14 jersey who tosses miniature candies out to the Cornell crowd at away games, my apologies as far as the throwing things comment. Whoever that was though, very classless.

I just want to be clear here (and bear in mind I'm jumping in to this conversation and that quote might be out of context) but...I wear Nash's #14 red, and the only time you'll find me throwing candy is when I throw it back at Jim for giving me a wrapper, which mind you, he has purposely done twice.  That, and without a ride I couldn't make it north this year.[/quote]

Jim wears the #14 Lodboa "third jersey" that was auctioned off a few years ago.

[daredevilcu]

Jim has an older #14, I believe... some name that starts with an L, if I'm not mistaken.  I'd have remembered for sure if it was a Nash jersey.

[daredevilcu]

[quote lynah80][quote marty][quote daredevilcu]This has been covered dozens of times on this board.  It's against the rules during play at the referee's discretion.  If it's interfering with anything on the ice the referee reserves the right to ask any band/person to stop at any time.  In my time around ECAC hockey, I've only seen it done once, and I believe it was Feola.

[/quote]

This seems to be a foolish interpretation of a simple rule.  But since I think that the rule is that noisemakers aren't allowed, I challenge you to find evidence that says noisemakers are not allowed at the ref's discretion.

I can't believe that anyone would write such a rule.

So go to it.  Prove me wrong.[/quote]
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This is from the NCAA Ice Hockey Rule book



It is the referee's discretion, depending on the severity of the action, whether or not a warning is necessary.
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Seems reasonable to me.[/quote]

Wow, thanks lynah80.  I just logged on and was all prepared to go search for the actual wording.  Thanks for doing it for me, much appreciated.  Nice to see that my "factual errors" aren't as bad as some might have originally thought.

[Doug '08]

A penalty will only be called if the coach complains to the ref, and after a warning the band still doesn't stop.  That being said, calling out the other band or fans for noise is considered pretty taboo.

[Doug '08]

[quote daredevilcu]Jim, hate to say this, but you lost all your credibility when you started throwing things at Clarkson band members.  Sorry.

EDIT:  I should also note that you should certainly know better, and I really expected more class from you.  Then again, I don't know why, as you're constantly self-righteous and accusatory even when I'm producing very logical arguments as to why it isn't a terrible thing.  I also note that you don't say whether or not you AGREE with the rule.  It's very clear that I don't.  Instead, you decide to take a high-and-mighty condescending tone, and quite frankly, it's just annoying.  I'm trying to have a decent discussion, generate some conversation about a rule and whether or not it's a good rule, NOT whether or not some schools break it.  We know they do.  Clearly it isn't a big deal, or they wouldn't be allowed to.

2nd Edit:  If I am mistaken, and you are not the guy with the #14 jersey who tosses miniature candies out to the Cornell crowd at away games, my apologies as far as the throwing things comment.  Whoever that was though, very classless.[/quote]

Oh and that has got to be one of the most ridiculous posts I've seen on this board in a long time.

[daredevilcu]

And Jim has already explained his reasoning.  He did stop, so it's a dead issue.  I'm sure he won't do it again.  Thanks for your comments though, I certainly really care what you think of me.

[KenP]

::popcorn::

[Tom Lento]

[quote daredevilcu]Wow, thanks lynah80.  I just logged on and was all prepared to go search for the actual wording.  Thanks for doing it for me, much appreciated.  Nice to see that my "factual errors" aren't as bad as some might have originally thought.[/quote]

I don't know about "factual errors" but people are certainly taking exception to your claims that artificial noisemakers are allowed *unless* the official takes action. That's like saying jaywalking is legal unless the cops actually give you a ticket (and they will, in LA).

Use of artificial noisemakers is prohibited during play. It is up to the referee's discretion whether or not to *enforce* the rule. Jaywalking is illegal, but it's up to the officer's discretion whether or not to write you a ticket when you do it. Same thing.

Having said that, this whole argument is silly. No official is going to penalize Clarkson for the band playing the drums during play, just as no official is going to penalize Cornell for the students throwing newspapers on the ice during the starting lineup announcements. Those actions are still against the rules, and subject to delay of game penalties, but they don't disrupt the game so officials look the other way. Cornell's band chooses to obey a largely ignored rule. Clarkson's band doesn't. Big deal.

[daredevilcu]

[quote Tom Lento]I don't know about "factual errors" but people are certainly taking exception to your claims that artificial noisemakers are allowed *unless* the official takes action.[/quote]

Maybe that's not the letter of the law, but it's certainly the wide practice as you have noted already.  Jaywalking, great example, thumbs up.

And yeah, it's prohibited.  What I'm saying is that maybe there should be some alteration of the rule to reflect what actually happens.  Kind of like how some southern states are changing their speed limit signs on highways to resemble the speeds people are REALLY traveling.  With more definition as to what's allowed by referees/arenas and what they won't tolerate, there is less leniency and less to argue about.

Having said that, this whole argument is silly.

Hard to argue with that.

[RichH]

[quote KenP]::popcorn::[/quote]

And how.  I'm surprised nobody has referenced this rule as the "RPI rule" yet.  Numerous sources online point to the 1987 "please show up and cheer for a bribe" game where the gift was a plastic horn.  Brown filed a complaint, and the rule was implemented.

I mean really, isn't every rule in the book subject to referee discretion?    It's the ref's decision to count goals, call penalties, and measure equipment if he deems it necessary.

Obviously no ref is going to enforce this rule save for extreme cases.  As a former bandie, I always felt that obeying that rule was more of a courtesy.  If bands don't want to extend that courtesy, that's their perogative.  Just like having amplified instruments, it will lessen my respect for you, but that's all.  I won't even get me angry.  And I certainly hope opposing bands don't care one lick about what I think.

As to what happened in that regional game in Minneapolis vs. tOSU...if you go back and watch that game (and why wouldn't you?  It was a marvelous result), you can hear the Ohio St. cowbell droning on the entire game during play.  I'm convinced some official heard it, said to an underling "go confiscate that cowbell," and when some schlub in the Cornell section pulled one out during a break, that's what they grabbed.

[CowbellGuy]

[quote RichH]some schlub in the Cornell section[/quote]
See if I make any polls for you now.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote CowbellGuy][quote RichH]some schlub in the Cornell section[/quote]
See if I make any polls for you now.[/quote]

NOUN: Slang, A person regarded as clumsy, stupid, or unattractive.

So, let's see, how does this apply to you?::scream::

[Jim Hyla]

[quote RichH]As to what happened in that regional game in Minneapolis vs. tOSU...if you go back and watch that game (and why wouldn't you?  It was a marvelous result), you can hear the Ohio St. cowbell droning on the entire game during play.  I'm convinced some official heard it, said to an underling "go confiscate that cowbell," and when some schlub in the Cornell section pulled one out during a break, that's what they grabbed.[/quote]

I wish I could be as charitable as you. Having been there I can tell you that it was clear our bell was not in the OSU section. Also they never even said stop, or said "we'll keep this till the game is over, just stop down to the rink office at the end of the game to get it back". It was really serendipity that we got it back.

[daredevilcu]

[quote RichH]Just like having amplified instruments, it will lessen my respect for you, but that's all.  I won't even get me angry.  And I certainly hope opposing bands don't care one lick about what I think.[/quote]

Teehee, UVM.