Nash injury confirmation

[KeithK]

[quote Section A Banshee][quote KeithK]IANAL[/quote]
Sometimes it's just better to spell things out.[/quote]
Sorry.  I post on some legal oriented sites where I Am Not A Lawyer is well known shorthand.

[marty]

[quote DILLIGAF]Evil:

NCAA football is a little better, injury reports are given on a weekly basis and if a player is questionable or out for the next game it and the injury is disclosed.  Hockey should be the same. [/quote]

Why?  Who gives a damn about injuries except your opponent?  Why would you want to give your opponent the information?

[KeithK]

[quote marty][quote DILLIGAF]Evil:

NCAA football is a little better, injury reports are given on a weekly basis and if a player is questionable or out for the next game it and the injury is disclosed.  Hockey should be the same. [/quote]

Why?  Who gives a damn about injuries except your opponent?  Why would you want to give your opponent the information?[/quote]
Fans care about injuries.  Even aside from gambling, I have a legitimate interest in knowing how well my team can be expected to perform or why a player may not have performed up to expectations. Especially when I am paying money to watch the event and my dollars (collectively) are to a large degree paying for the whole enterprise.

How this interest stacks up against a player's privacy interest is left to the reader to decide.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote KeithK][quote marty][quote DILLIGAF]Evil:

NCAA football is a little better, injury reports are given on a weekly basis and if a player is questionable or out for the next game it and the injury is disclosed.  Hockey should be the same. [/quote]

Why?  Who gives a damn about injuries except your opponent?  Why would you want to give your opponent the information?[/quote]
Fans care about injuries.  Even aside from gambling, I have a legitimate interest in knowing how well my team can be expected to perform or why a player may not have performed up to expectations. Especially when I am paying money to watch the event and my dollars (collectively) are to a large degree paying for the whole enterprise.

How this interest stacks up against a player's privacy interest is left to the reader to decide.[/quote]

Well I know where you stand, and I hope you know where I stand. I enjoy hockey, some say I live it. Let's say no one else in my office was trying for tickets on the internet this past Wed.. However, I don't think it's my God given right to know about a student's health history just because I pay a few bucks to go to a game; and I glad the government finally had the good sense to make a law about it. God, there I go agreeing with lawyers again. Twice in one day, somebody shoot me.

[KeithK]

[quote Jim Hyla]Well I know where you stand, and I hope you know where I stand. I enjoy hockey, some say I live it. Let's say no one else in my office was trying for tickets on the internet this past Wed.. However, I don't think it's my God given right to know about a student's health history just because I pay a few bucks to go to a game; and I glad the government finally had the good sense to make a law about it. God, there I go agreeing with lawyers again. Twice in one day, somebody shoot me.[/quote]
I'm not quite as anti-privacy as my posts sometimes indicate and I certainly don't think that paying for a ticket gives me a right to know this stuff, just a legitimate interest.  It's just that posts/opinions that are more or less absolutist on the privacy issue tend to drive me toward the other side, at least for the duration of the argument.

From a moral standpoint is there a difference between public disclosure of a injuries (e.g. broken bone, torn tendon) and disclosure of medical facts like  STD's or mental illness?  It's my sense that there is because of the different reactions that people will likely have.  Now it may be an absolutist, bright line rule is the only kind that makes sense in practice.

[ftyuv]

My quick and worthless two cents (lots of inflation in my economy).

First, why'd we have to drag money into this?  Fans have the "right" to care about their team even if it can't be tied to GDP.  Buying a ticket doesn't buy you that right, and not buying one doesn't nix it.  People have a right to want to know things related to things that interest them.

Of course, that doesn't mean they have a right to know them -- just the right to want to.  So far I think we're all in agreement, except that I reject this notion that paying money is somehow a part of that argument.

As for disclosure, I agree with Keith on this.  A student athlete is in part a public figure, and public figures enjoy fewer privacy rights than do the rest of us.  Such is the price of fame.  It's a sliding scale, but I agree that injuries like broken bones -- standard sport-related wear and tear -- should be okay to discuss.

Thirdly, I've also seen IANAL before, and I don't frequent any legal forums other than OffseasonELF(tm).

[Jim Hyla]

Medical facts are medical facts, pure and simple. There are a few issues such as HIV, that carry special weight, but as far as I'm concerned, and I think the law is on my side, the rest is private medical information. It should remain that way for all Americans, public or private. Yes, we have a right to know something about our leaders, but our athletes, come on. I might have a different view because I see this all the time, but to me privacy is right up there with an independent judiciary (there I go with the lawyers again) and press.

[marty]

[quote KeithK][quote marty][quote DILLIGAF]Evil:

NCAA football is a little better, injury reports are given on a weekly basis and if a player is questionable or out for the next game it and the injury is disclosed.  Hockey should be the same. [/quote]

Why?  Who gives a damn about injuries except your opponent?  Why would you want to give your opponent the information?[/quote]
Fans care about injuries.  Even aside from gambling, I have a legitimate interest in knowing how well my team can be expected to perform or why a player may not have performed up to expectations. Especially when I am paying money to watch the event and my dollars (collectively) are to a large degree paying for the whole enterprise.

How this interest stacks up against a player's privacy interest is left to the reader to decide.[/quote]

So if mighty Topher Scott has a severely bruised lat and the trainers tape him up and get him ready to play through it, you want to know about his injury.  If I'm a goon from say RIP (think of the past - not the current Engineers), I might want to know about it to if I can get him into a corner and rip into him with a cheap shot.

But your interest in knowing (because you bought a ticket?) should supercede Topher's interest in his personal health and the team's interest in having a more rather than less healthy player.  ?::wtf::

[KenP]

If you want to take the disclosure issue to the other extreme you could say that the players are not legally required to disclose their physical condition, injuries  etc to the coaching staff either.  That being said, there is an element of "need-to-know" that the coaches/teammates have and we don't.

(insert gratuitous emoticon here)

[redhair34]

http://ithacajournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071026/SPORTS/710260349/1006

Nash suffered a torn anterior cruciate ligament in an off-ice accident in April, and has been rehabilitating ever since the resulting surgery. The original timeframe for his return was set in the vicinity of January, though coach Mike Schafer has said Nash is ahead of schedule.

That was evident when Nash was skating on his own during captains' practices in early October. Then he began skating with the team in practices leading up to last week's exhibitions while donning a blue no-contact jersey. All of the signs add up to a possible return as early as November.

[Beeeej]

I hope they don't rush him.  I'm sure he's been working hard on it, but an ACL reconstruction isn't something to mess with.

[Jim Hyla]

Until then, and even afterward, the key to the defense's success may very well come from the forwards. The Cornell system, like many others nowadays, relies heavily on the forwards' backcheck to pick up the late attacker or help steer the oncoming forward toward the boards. That support wasn't always there last season.

"I thought one of the problems was we had too many guys last year that thought they were offensive guys and not enough guys who knew their role," Schafer said.

I wonder who he could be talking about?::rolleyes:: As I posted before, they certainly looked much more like our successful teams of old, what with the physical play.

Said Scrivens: "Brendon's a great player. But in the end, he's just one player. It's a team game. We'll deal with it."

Well said.

[Trotsky]

[quote Jim Hyla]Well said.[/quote]Yep.  There's no reason to rush Brendon back into the lineup.  This isn't an NCAA challenger team, so the November and December games aren't make or break.  This is a team that needs to digest its young talent and adapt to its new (old) style of play, improve every month, and set its sights on February and March.

[DILLIGAF]

I totally agree.  There is no reason to rush him back.  Even take a medical redshirt if you have to and come back next season fully rehabbed.

[ugarte]

[quote DILLIGAF]I totally agree.  There is no reason to rush him back.  Even take a medical redshirt if you have to and come back next season fully rehabbed.[/quote]
And miss the chance to play with his brother?