TSN Ranks Riley Nash #33 for the upcoming draft

[DILLIGAF]

[quote evilnaturedrobot]  What this says is that Romano and Milo didn't feel that they where going to develop at Cornell, and that is disconcerting.[/quote]

In this we agree.

[ithacat]

[quote evilnaturedrobot]  What this says is that Romano and Milo didn't feel that they where going to develop at Cornell, and that is disconcerting.[/quote]

Based upon the information the team has publicly shared, it appears...
1) It was Romano's choice to leave the team.
2) It was not Milo's choice to leave the team.

[plrd78]

[quote DILLIGAF]I think you are right, it will depend somewhat on who drafts him and somewhat on who his "family advisor" is.  Drafted that high, he stands to get a decent Major Junior contract too, which could sway him immediately.  

Also, I think you are right, if he does make it to Cornell, it will not be a full 4 years.  It will be a one and done or 2 and out for him.  

The top programs deal with that every year.  You count yourself lucky for what time you get with the very best players.  See Minnesota, Maine, North Dakota, etc.  The all recruit with the idea of losing freshmen and sophs.  

It is the price of success.[/quote]

Since his rights are owned by Swift Current in the WHL this will probably be the biggest obstacle for him. Edmonton is not a College recruiting team. All their past picks have not worked out in US College Hockey. Major Jr. is just more suited for the skilled and Pro level player. And since we [CU] never produce any NHL caliber fowards[except for Moulson, the jury is still out] he will do what Romano did, go to a better Hockey (Happy) place....Happy Gilmore

[DeltaOne81]

[quote plrd78]And since we [CU] never produce any NHL caliber fowards[/quote]

Nope, never. Nada.

[evilnaturedrobot]

[quote ithacat][quote evilnaturedrobot]  What this says is that Romano and Milo didn't feel that they where going to develop at Cornell, and that is disconcerting.[/quote]

Based upon the information the team has publicly shared, it appears...
1) It was Romano's choice to leave the team.
2) It was not Milo's choice to leave the team.[/quote]

What I've been told is that it was Milo's choice to leave the team, and that baseball had nothing to do with it.  Take this for what it's worth, I don't claim that it's absolutely true, but it's what I've been told.

[jkahn]

[quote plrd78][quote DILLIGAF]I think you are right, it will depend somewhat on who drafts him and somewhat on who his "family advisor" is.  Drafted that high, he stands to get a decent Major Junior contract too, which could sway him immediately.  

Also, I think you are right, if he does make it to Cornell, it will not be a full 4 years.  It will be a one and done or 2 and out for him.  

The top programs deal with that every year.  You count yourself lucky for what time you get with the very best players.  See Minnesota, Maine, North Dakota, etc.  The all recruit with the idea of losing freshmen and sophs.  

It is the price of success.[/quote]

Since his rights are owned by Swift Current in the WHL this will probably be the biggest obstacle for him. Edmonton is not a College recruiting team. All their past picks have not worked out in US College Hockey. Major Jr. is just more suited for the skilled and Pro level player. And since we [CU] never produce any NHL caliber fowards[except for Moulson, the jury is still out] he will do what Romano did, go to a better Hockey (Happy) place....Happy Gilmore[/quote]
Edmonton's had pretty good success with Shawn Horcoff (Mich. St.) and Fernando Pisani (Providence), each of whom played all four years in college.  More recently they've been collecting young college defenseman (Tom Gilbert, Matt Greene, Brad Winchester).  So it doesn't seem that they have big problems with players taking the NCAA route.

[DILLIGAF]

[quote DeltaOne81][quote plrd78]And since we [CU] never produce any NHL caliber fowards[/quote]

Nope, never. Nada.[/quote]

Have I missed something, is cornell considered a fast track to the NHL?
I think the gophers had 3 go last year alone.

What a sign of success when you have to go back to the mid to late 80's to find examples.

[Rita]

[quote DILLIGAF][quote DeltaOne81][quote plrd78]And since we [CU] never produce any NHL caliber fowards[/quote]

Nope, never. Nada.[/quote]

Have I missed something, is cornell considered a fast track to the NHL?
I think the gophers had 3 go last year alone.

What a sign of success when you have to go back to the mid to late 80's to find examples.[/quote]

plrd78, you are the one who typed never. DeltaOne81 was just pointing out that your statement was incorrect.

You have been on this forum long enough to know that incorrect statements will be corrected. If you wanted to indicate a certain timeframe in which Cornell had (or had not) produced NHL caliber forwards then you should have stated what years you wanted to consider.

PS. I apologize to DILLIGAF for misquoting him/her.

I think our recent appearances in the Regional final game has put The Big Red on the radar screen of some kids that in the past would not have been interested in Cornell. So yes, that most likely means we now might have more talented players coming in, but once they are here, they may find that what Cornell offers really doesn't suit their needs.

It is disappointing to see two talented players leave after 1 year and not because they have signed with a NHL club. I hope Romano and Milo are two isolated incidents of kids that just picked the wrong college. Cornell is a special place, however, it is very demanding in terms of the hockey philosophy that the coaches employ and the academics and is probably not the best fit for a truly talented player.

[ftyuv]

[quote Rita][quote DILLIGAF][quote DeltaOne81][quote plrd78]And since we [CU] never produce any NHL caliber fowards[/quote]

Nope, never. Nada.[/quote]

Have I missed something, is cornell considered a fast track to the NHL?
I think the gophers had 3 go last year alone.

What a sign of success when you have to go back to the mid to late 80's to find examples.[/quote]

DILLIGAF, you are the one who typed never. DeltaOne81 was just pointing out that your statement was incorrect.

You have been on this forum long enough to know that incorrect statements will be corrected. If you wanted to indicate a certain timeframe in which Cornell had (or had not) produced NHL caliber forwards then you should have stated what years you wanted to consider.[/quote]

If we're playing the Details Game, it was actually plrd78 who typed never (emphasis added).

I've got to admit, I'm actually with DILLIGAF on this one a bit.  Cornell's record can't compare to the top-top-tier programs, and it's a bit silly to keep bringing up the rare handful of NHL success stories to try and convince ourselves otherwise.  But you know what?  We're an academically tough (well, depending on your major ) school in the middle of nowhere (donning asbestos suit...) that doesn't offer athletic scholarships.  I think we do pretty well, considering.

[Rosey]

[quote ftyuv]I've got to admit, I'm actually with DILLIGAF on this one a bit.  Cornell's record can't compare to the top-top-tier programs, and it's a bit silly to keep bringing up the rare handful of NHL success stories to try and convince ourselves otherwise.  But you know what?  We're an academically tough (well, depending on your major ) school in the middle of nowhere (donning asbestos suit...) that doesn't offer athletic scholarships.  I think we do pretty well, considering.[/quote]
I've kept my trap shut until now, but I think you hit the nail head-on, on both points: DILLIGAF is correct that it is ::rolleyes:: ::rolleyes:: ::rolleyes:: ::rolleyes:: ::rolleyes:: -inducing to bring up 20 year old examples as anything relevant to today's program, and you are correct that we should be grateful for the level of success we have.

Neither, however, sheds any light on why we have had retention problems beyond the expected jump-to-N/AHL for the top tier.  This is still a very open and very interesting question.

Kyle

[Ben Rocky '04]

[quote krose]
Neither, however, sheds any light on why we have had retention problems beyond the expected jump-to-N/AHL for the top tier.  This is still a very open and very interesting question.  [/quote]

Do we actually have a retention problem for guys leaving the team for non- A/NHL purposes?  Does two guys leaving actually constitute a problem?  To me, it just a slight statistical anomaly that it happened twice in a year.

[DILLIGAF]

From the blog by the Swift Current Broncos play by play announcer...

Sometimes NHL teams prefer their high end picks to get used to the NHL grind by playing in the Western Hockey League or the CHL in general. The question did come up in the scrum. Lowe says he's ok with the College route but would "pick him up himself and deliver him personally to the WHL if Nash ever considered it." He says you have to respect the players wishes and it's something they will look at in the near future.

Doesn't sound like edmonton is a huge fan of cornell hockey.

[redhair34]

[quote DILLIGAF]From the blog by the Swift Current Broncos play by play announcer...

Sometimes NHL teams prefer their high end picks to get used to the NHL grind by playing in the Western Hockey League or the CHL in general. The question did come up in the scrum. Lowe says he's ok with the College route but would "pick him up himself and deliver him personally to the WHL if Nash ever considered it." He says you have to respect the players wishes and it's something they will look at in the near future.

Doesn't sound like edmonton is a huge fan of cornell hockey.[/quote]

Perhaps, but you excluded the most important (at least for Cornell fans) section of the blog entry.  Here it is in it's entirety:

The biggest interest for Bronco fans was the Edmonton Oilers selection of Riley Nash 21st overall. Nash is a Bronco bantam draft pick and has chosen the college route - he will attend Cornell University next season.

No one had Nash that high but the Oilers really like him. In a media scrum following the first round, Oilers General Manager Kevin Lowe stated that he really interviewed and tested well with them and he has a "fire in his belly to play in the NHL". The Oilers weren't too confident he would be around with their next pick so they decided to scoop him up.


Sometimes NHL teams prefer their high end picks to get used to the NHL grind by playing in the Western Hockey League or the CHL in general. The question did come up in the scrum. Lowe says he's ok with the College route but would "pick him up himself and deliver him personally to the WHL if Nash ever considered it." He says you have to respect the players wishes and it's something they will look at in the near future.


I congratulated and interviewed Riley Nash after he was taken and there's no doubt he's looking forward to going to Cornell next season. He has the utmost respect for the Broncos and the organization but just really wants to play College hockey.

At this point, he's a longshot to ever play in Swifty but who knows. I'm not going to hold my breath. Good luck to him.

http://jonkeen.blogspot.com/2007/06/live-from-draft.html

[Josh '99]

[quote DILLIGAF]From the blog by the Swift Current Broncos play by play announcer...

Sometimes NHL teams prefer their high end picks to get used to the NHL grind by playing in the Western Hockey League or the CHL in general. The question did come up in the scrum. Lowe says he's ok with the College route but would "pick him up himself and deliver him personally to the WHL if Nash ever considered it." He says you have to respect the players wishes and it's something they will look at in the near future.

Doesn't sound like edmonton is a huge fan of cornell hockey.[/quote]Jeez, do you have to be so negative with EVERY SINGLE POST?

It sounds like Lowe is willing to let Nash decide what route he wants to take, which is the most important thing.

[DILLIGAF]

Might point was that edmonton isn't thrilled with his choice of going to cornell.  That is true.  To quote Lowe, "it's something they will look at in the near future".  

Do you think that there won't be pressure to play in the WHL?  He is a first round draft pick.  The WHL will throw a lot of money to entice him to play.  Is Cornell a fast track to the NHL like North Dakota or Michigan or Minnesota?  Absolutely not.  Riley Nash should listen closely to edmonton, they will say all the right things about college, but they will not want him in Ithaca.  It isn't the right college for a first round kid on the fast track to the NHL.