ECAC playoffs - Cornell 4th, first round bye

[billhoward]

The seeding for the playoffs are, I believe [edit fixing Nos. 8-9-10, outcomes of 1997 and 1998 ECAC playoffs]:

1 SLU bye 
2 Clarkson bye 
3 Dartmouth bye 
4 Cornell bye  
5 Quinnipiac hosts Union first round 
6 Princeton host Brown 
7 Harvard hosts Yale  (I think Harvard lost a tiebraker for sixth)
8 Colgate hosts RPI 
9 RPI 
10 Yale 
11 Brown 
12 Union 

Top four get byes. Next weekend: 5 hosts 12, 6 hosts 11, etcetera. The following weekend, best 2 of 3 series at SLU, Clarkson, Dartmouth, and Cornell. SLU plays the lowest seeded survivor, which would be Colgate if all happens according to seeding (seldom does) and Cornell would host Quinnipiac. In round two, the top seed gets the lowest seeded survivor, second second gets second lowest survivor, etcetera. Cornell would get a dream rematch (bad dream?) at Lynah vs. the Cantabs of Harvard only if 5 Quinnipiac and 6 Princeton fold in the first round. I can't recall if the ECAC seminfinals are also reseeded so highest survivor plays lowest survivor, which if all follows plan, would mean Cornell vs. St. Lawrence Friday, March 16.

Cornell's history in the ECACs under Mike Schafer includes trips to Albany (or Lake Placid) and the ECAC final four all but three years. Cornell has played its opening round of the playoffs on the road I believe only in 1998 at RPI (won) and 1999 at Princeton (lost). Good summary page of Cornell's regular-season and post-season appearances are at http://www.tbrw.info/  I didn't realize it but Cornell has won two ECAC titles in each decade (plus three in the 1960s). It's not exactly evenly spaced, though: Four titles 1967-70, then 27 more years to collect the next four, then two more since.

YEAR  OUTCOME IN ECACs 
1996  1st (beat Harvard)
1997  1st (beat Clarkson. RichS weeps.) [<--edit fixing outcome and Rich's roller-coaster emotions]
1998  5th (lose to Princeton in play-in for semis) [edit fixed]
1999  Lose initial round at Princeton 
2000  2nd (lose 3-2 in OT to St. Lawrence)
2001  2nd (lose 3-1 again to St. Lawrence)
2002  2nd (lose 4-3 to Harvard in two OTs)
2003  1st (beat Harvard 3-2 in OT)
2004  Choke! (lose 3-game quarterfinal series to Clarkson 1-5, 5-4, 5-1)
2005  1st (beat harvard 3-1)
2006  2nd (lose 6-2 Harvard)
2007  ? 

[DeltaOne81]

Colgate is 8, RPI is 9, Yale is 10...

in JTW I trust

Edit, new final standings:

1 SLU bye 
2 Clarkson bye 
3 Dartmouth bye 
4 Cornell bye  
5 Quinnipiac hosts Union first round 
6 Princeton host Brown 
7 Harvard hosts Yale 
8 Colgate hosts RPI 
9 RPI 
10 Yale 
11 Brown 
12 Union

And let me be the first to say that I'm glad we got the bye, but I'm not looking forward to the 2nd round match-up if the Q win.

[Trotsky]

[quote DeltaOne81]but I'm not looking forward to the 2nd round match-up if the Q win.[/quote]Would you have preferred the same matchup but in Hamden? ::help::

[CAAB]

Hi guys,

I'm thrilled if we do have the bye, but:

I'd like to know how we got the bye, as the USCHO story on yesterday's Quin-SLU stated:

"The Bobcats hold the tie breaker with Cornell, if they should happen to finish with the same amount of league points."

What is the order of tiebreaker?  

Let's Go Big Red !

---Chief

[peterg]

From the CU hockey website prior to the final from Q.

Cornell will now await the final score of the Clarkson-Quinnipiac matchup on Saturday night. A win by the Knights would secure a first-round bye for the Big Red, while a Quinnipiac win or tie would leave Cornell as the fifth seed, playing a home series next weekend against Union, which finishes the league regular season in 12th place. Cornell went 1-0-1 against the Dutchmen on the year, winning 6-0, in Ithaca, N.Y., and tying 3-3 when the two teams met in Schenectady, N.Y.

If Clarkson wins, the tournament would shape up as follows:
#1 St. Lawrence
#2 Clarkson
#3 Dartmouth
#4 Cornell
#5 Quinnipiac hosts #12 Union
#6 Princeton hosts #11 Brown
#7 Harvard hosts #10 Yale
#8 Colgate hosts #9 Rensselaer

[DeltaOne81]

[quote CAAB]
"The Bobcats hold the tie breaker with Cornell, if they should happen to finish with the same amount of league points."

What is the order of tiebreaker?  

Let's Go Big Red !

---Chief[/quote]

The article is wrong.

The tiebreaks are:
Head to head
Record against top 4
Record against top 8
Head-to-head goal differential
Goal diff vs. top 4
Goal diff vs. top 8
Coin flip


The first is tied, the second is tied (although wouldn't have been had we tied any other way then by two losses each this weekend), and we won on the third.

Its complex enough that I can easily see an article getting it wrong, but they did.

[CAAB]

I hope that posting was right, because I fear Q has the tie-breaker.

We beat them 2-0
They beat us 5-2
They went 0-2 vs. SLU, we went 0-2
They went 1-1 vs. CUknights, we were 1-0-1
They went 0-1-1 vs. DU, we went 0-2

Both have 5 pts against the top three. What's the next tie break? (because the've got us by a 3 goal differential)

---Chief

[JordanCS]

[quote billhoward]

YEAR  OUTCOME IN ECACs 
1996  1st (beat Harvard)
1997  2nd (lose to Clarkson. RichS rejoices.) 

[/quote]

Huh?  Unless my memory is failing (and judging by the ECAC title list on the side, it's not...)

We beat Clarkson in '97 for the ECAC title.

[CAAB]

OK, that's a relief, Thanks DeltaOne81 ! :-)

I'm VERY disappointed with this team thus far this season.

---- Chief

[marty]

[quote billhoward]

Cornell's history in the ECACs under Mike Schafer includes trips to Albany (or Lake Placid) and the ECAC final four all but two years. Cornell has played its opening round of the playoffs on the road only in 1998 at RPI (won) and 1999 at Princeton (lost).

YEAR  OUTCOME IN ECACs 
1996  1st (beat Harvard)
1997  2nd (lose to Clarkson. RichS rejoices.) 
1998  3rd (lose to Princeton in semis)
1999  Lose initial round at Princeton 
2000  2nd (lose 3-2 in OT to St. Lawrence)
2001  2nd (lose 3-1 again to St. Lawrence)
2002  2nd (lose 4-3 to Harvard in two OTs)
2003  1st (beat Harvard 3-2 in OT)
2004  Choke! (lose 3-game quarterfinal series to Clarkson 1-5, 5-4, 5-1_ 
2005  1st (beat harvard 3-1)
2006  2nd (lose 6-2 Harvard)
2007  ? 

[/quote]

Rich S may rejoice only in that your memory and/or computer source is wrong.

From tbrw:

March 15, 1997
ECAC Championship Game
Lake Placid, NY

Cornell Big Red (20-8-5)      1   1   0   -   2
Clarkson Golden Knights (  - - )   0   0   1   -   1

1 17:00 Cor pp   Dailey 5 (Auger, Tymchyshyn)
2  9:11 Cor pp   S. Wilson
3 (Tymchyshyn, Stienstra)3 13:18 Clk   Houle (Clark, Ollila)

Cor W Elliott   10 - 10 - 11   31 x 32
Clk L Murphy    8 -  6 -  2   16 x 18

[CAAB]

JordanCS - You are CORRECT !!!!

I think '97 was the Knaughts "Todd White" god year and we whipped them good with a suffocating "D" up in Lake Placid - after all their talk -- hah !

-- Chief

[CAAB]

Way to go with the detailed recap, Marty !

Note only 18 Knaught shots - Our "D" was an iron blanket !  And we were supposed to be at a disadvantage on the "Big Sheet" up there... Oh PLEASE!!!

Equally interesting is that past 5 tourneys in Alb have alt. Harvard-Cornell.

--- Chief

[scoop85]

While the weekend was a bummer on the ice, the end result wasn't too bad. Playing the 5th or 6th seed in this year of parity seems largely irrelevant; if we're fortunate enough to get back to Albany, there is probably a bit of a disadvantage if we have to play SLUt as opposed to Clarkson (given our results this year against those teams), but that's an issue I hope we are discussing in two weeks :-}

First things first; looking at the match-ups, I don't see any first round upsets.  I think Yale takes Harvard to 3 games, but the other series are sweeps.  

So, that sets up Q in the quarters.  Honestly, do any of us have a feel as to which Cornell team shows up? It's hard to imagine anything other than a 3-game series, probably one comfortable win for each team with one nailbiter.  About the only thing that seems certain is that there will be a lot of griping about Cornell's special teams;-)

[CAAB]

The only positive thing to say is that the mighty Quinn is in the midst of their own scoring drought and if Union can spark for more than one game, they may very well pull the upset. Stranger things have happened this year. :-)

--Chief

[jtwcornell91]

[quote CAAB]I hope that posting was right, because I fear Q has the tie-breaker.

We beat them 2-0
They beat us 5-2
They went 0-2 vs. SLU, we went 0-2
They went 1-1 vs. CUknights, we were 1-0-1
They went 0-1-1 vs. DU, we went 0-2

Both have 5 pts against the top three. What's the next tie break? (because the've got us by a 3 goal differential)
[/quote]

As explained elsewhere, the next tiebreaker is record vs top 8, but there's a tie for 8th place which requires record vs top 4.  The bottom line is that the situation gets resolved by using record vs top 9, including Colgate and RPI, and we win that.