Video clips of the @Union game

[ugarte]

[quote Omie] Our defense was basically unexistent [/quote] That word is basically unexistent. :-P

[billhoward]

Hip hop at its lowest common denominator is like the cash register that calculates the customer's change at McDonald's: It lets even less qualified people work at something.

-- At the entry level, you don't even have to carry a tune (okay, the same could be said about Britney).
-- You just have to be able to talk loud and find a word that rhymes with "Yo!"
-- Physical fitness is not an issue: At 18, if you look like David Crosby at 60, there are jeans that fit with room to grow.
-- And if your lyrics run counter to much of the work of the past generation that affords women more equal standing, too bad.

Hip hop is the reason we're mired in Iraq, have no national values, can't score off the power play, have lost forever-green playing fields to academic buildings, and lust after Crystal and 22-inch rims. The trustees probably caught Jeff Lehman listening and he was history. I have no explanation for Fergie, either.

Definitely OT. Back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

[DeltaOne81]

On the goal, I'll take the word of the people who said they could see that the net was up still up during the goal, but I've watched the YouTube thing repeatedly and don't see it at all. On the first live shot, the goalie's skate is in the way all along, so you can't see anything. On the first replay, it appears to me that the goalie's skate is away from the post after the shot and before the rebound. So it seems like an awful lot of hangtime for a net, but I dunno. On the 2nd replay from the side, the goalie's skate/leg is clearly not touching the post from before the first shot until after the rebound. And I still personally see no motion on the post.

On the third (last) replay from behind, the net clearly moves, but again the goalie moves away from it well before the rebound shot. Are we saying the net actually came up its moorings? Or just that it was knocked half an inch up momentarily?  If the latter, I find it hard to believe it didn't come back down before the puck went in.

If there's better video footage, I'd be interested to see it.


On the hit on Carefoot, I don't know if charge is the right call, but the jerk left his feet for the hit. That's a penalty, and that one was pretty rough. Perhaps the goal nullified the call, I dunno, but that looked dirty.


Oh, and Scrivens was soft. McLeod certainly was at fault on the first goal, but so was Scrivens. He committed poorly and got beat. Second goal, he flat out got beat 5-hole. Now it happens, but, its not good. On the third one he mights been slightly blocked, but he also wasn't well positioned. He wasn't against the post and he got beat post side. It was a nice idea on the shooters part to take such a quick shot, but he just didn't look ready and positioned. Not to say the game was his fault, it wasn't, but each of those there's something he can learn from, none were just a luck or 'hand it to the other team' kinda goal.

[KeithK]

[quote billhoward]-- At the entry level, you don't even have to carry a tune (okay, the same could be said about Britney). [/quote]Britney's great.  Just have to turn off the volume and watch the video...

[marty]

[quote Omie]Even so, the ref F. Murphy (who was terrible) did not notice such movement, nobody on the ice had either. The ref then relied on the word of the goalie that just got scored on as sufficient basis for his call and it took like 2 mins of discussion for him to make the no-goal call. It was terrible call period and Murphy was terrible as well.[/quote]

Okay, Omie, you're argument has me lost.  I was at the rink.  I saw Ref. Murphy talking to the assistant ref.  

Mrazek wouldn't even have known that the net was off.  How could he?  His back was to the net during the play and the net was hardly out of position.

http://www.mega-file.net/video/view.php?video=833967154436f755807ec1d084842829

As Jim said, what a way to spend a snow day.

[redhair34]

[quote marty]
As Jim said, what a way to spend a snow day.[/quote]

Speaking of which, since the university closed the team won't practice.  Correct?

[redheadfanatic]

Not sure if it is cancelled because the university is closed, but it is in fact cancelled.

[Jacob '06]

Yes, the net came off. No, it did not have any effect whatsoever on the goal. the net was still sitting directly on the goal line about where it should be, and the puck wouldn't have gone in the net anyway. Stupid callback of a goal, especially when the ref immediately signaled it as a goal.

[Omie]

I was at the rink too. And yea Murphy talked to the asst. refs AND Mrazek. Don't ask me how Mrazek decided to complain when he was turned to the goal. Murphy had signaled a goal it took like a min for it to go on the board, it stood on the board for a couple of mins during which Murphy talked to Mrazek and both benches and then to the surprise of everyone on the rink inlcuding some Union fans the goal was taken off of the scoreboard. Murphy also talked to Nash for lil bit after he called him for tripping (a bogus call because it was Nash who had just been tripped). If a ref makes a call what's the point of talking to everyone for several mins to discuss such call? It was bad refereeing.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote Omie]I was at the rink too. And yea Murphy talked to the asst. refs AND Mrazek. Don't ask me how Mrazek decided to complain when he was turned to the goal. Murphy had signaled a goal it took like a min for it to go on the board, it stood on the board for a couple of mins during which Murphy talked to Mrazek and both benches and then to the surprise of everyone on the rink inlcuding some Union fans the goal was taken off of the scoreboard. Murphy also talked to Nash for lil bit after he called him for tripping (a bogus call because it was Nash who had just been tripped). If a ref makes a call what's the point of talking to everyone for several mins to discuss such call? It was bad refereeing.[/quote]

Again from the Union post-game thread

Can't score into a dislodged net.

Rule 6 Section 18 c (12) If the goal cage has been moved or dislodged. The goal frame is considered to be displaced if any portion of the goal frame is not in its proper position (e.g., Frame must be completely flat on the ice surface, goal posts must be in proper place and affixed securely
in place with its pegs.).

Edited because link below didnt seem to work.

Check [www.achahockey.org]::

Why are we still arguing this? We now have more posts on this thread than on the post-game. Please anyone who wants to disagree with the call, please read the post-game thread. All the info is there; most of which I've copied on this one.:-D The call was correct, the net was off and the goal by rule can't be counted. Maybe the rule is stupid, but the call was correct.

God I wish I could go skiing.:`-(

[RichH]

[quote Omie] If a ref makes a call what's the point of talking to everyone for several mins to discuss such call? It was bad refereeing.[/quote]

To make sure that the call is correct and within the rules?  I actually call that good refereeing.  If the NHL officials had done that and upheld their own rules as they were written in the 1999 Stanley Cup Finals, the world would've been spared from years of whining from us Buffalo fans.

The job of the referee is to ensure the call is correct, not to make a call and stick to it regardless of how wrong the original call was (insert joke about a certain branch of government).

Basically, reverse the teams.  If Union scored the winning goal with the net partially dislodged, and it was allowed to stand, there would be people screaming bloody murder.  While I don't like the wording of the rule, the correct call was made.

[TimV]

The game was broadcast.  Did they use an off-ice official to view the video and assist with the call, maybe?

[marty]

[quote TimV]The game was broadcast.  Did they use an off-ice official to view the video and assist with the call, maybe?[/quote]

No!!  In fact, Jason Moy and Dan Fridgen mentioned that they had the luxury of replay when reviewing another (I think the Carefoot) goal during this broadcast.

[KeithK]

As Rich said, it's best for the referee to make the right call. If that means talking with other on and off ice officials then so be it. While this can be frustrating to the fan who is watching and not privy to the discussion it's still the right thing to do.

Not to say that we should have five minute huddles everytime the puck approaches the net. When the play and rule is clear make the call and stick with it even if it makes a lot of people unhappy.  (Insert a joke here too if you'd like.)

[Dpperk29]

[quote marty][quote TimV]The game was broadcast.  Did they use an off-ice official to view the video and assist with the call, maybe?[/quote]

No!!  In fact, Jason Moy and Dan Fridgen mentioned that they had the luxury of replay when reviewing another (I think the Carefoot) goal during this broadcast.[/quote]

replay probably wasnt an option. I know cheel is one of the replay test sites for the ECAC, however, I am not sure about out arenas/rinks.