Cornell 2 Yale 2 postgame thread

[billhoward]

Two-thirds of the way through January without a win. Incredible.

Hard to tell from without being at the rink if Cornell has lost an emotional edge, as Ari notes. (See the end of the game thread for some postgame comments.) Cornell is winning the stats war but it's not a decisive margin: shots 25-17. Wasn't the Schafer-of-year-past goal that Cornell should hold opponents under 20 shots a game? 1x8 on the power play is barely better than Cornell's dry spell over a couple games.

For those who saw it: Was the against-goal Davenport scored a fluke or did he make a bad play and it cost Cornell?

Right now it's hard to recall that a freshman-heavy team is only going to improve over the course of the year. OTOH Cornell has had some brutally bad Januarys this decade and then turned it around in February.

Note the boxscore (which has sometimes just been incomplete) http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/stats/2006-2007/cumih18.html

Three stars:
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[redheadfanatic]

From what I could see over in section M, Davenport went behind the net to stop the puck, and lost his balance.  There were other players around him and he could not get up, and the puck got away.  I'm not sure who it bounced off of, but it went off of someone's skate or body and spun its way around and into the net.

[jy3]

both yale goals were interesting. the first was the reason why sometimes you just throw the puck at the net when you are unable to get quality shots. a screen = a goal.
the second goal was so disappointing. davenport when back behind the net and lost his footing and the puck was kicked by him or another player out front and then hit a leg and went in. at least i think that was how it happened.
this was our first game at lynah this year. the new additions to the rink are very nice and we got to sit on the first new bench behind B which was cool.
the game overall was what happens when you have a young team that is unable to finish against a clearly inferior yale team. I thought that yale looked bad except in the last few minutes of the third and then in OT. they iced the puck many times and also launched it to center many times. dont get me wrong there were moments for them, but overall I was not impressed. Cornell looked good most of the game but then just got deflated after that tieing goal. Yale was just hungrier. It seemed the whole that Cornell would find a way to not win the game. taking penalties while on the PP, getting bailed out by feola and his horrible officiating = bad calls against yale. the no goal was too far for us to see.
anyway, looking forward to another game tonight

[Dafatone]

From my point of view, Davenport went behind the net to play the puck, slipped, fell, kicked the puck up into the air and over the net, where it bounced off a defenseman's shoulder, off a post, and in.  Personally, I can't really blame Davenport.  Just a ridiculous fluke, or series of flukes.  Karmawise, it makes up for our lucky goal against Michigan, perhaps?

Anyway, we had our issues, but if you remove that goal, we won 2-1.  We got no offense going towards the end, and Yale constantly was threatening, but we did hold them off, really.

As to the non-goal/penalty shot, I really think the refs just missed it completely and figured a penalty shot was sort of like flipping a coin.  From D, I couldn't see anything.  There was a pile-up, and then Topher dove into the net, and the puck seemed to go in.  But Topher was in the crease, and maybe play should have been stopped anyway.  Honestly, given that I don't think anyone saw anything, the penalty shot might've been the fairest thing to do.

[redhair34]

Could anyone who had a good view of it share what happened?

[redheadfanatic]

Yet again, it was a high shot on Davenport.. It was actually a really nice shot, which  I barely ever say about the opposing team.  He had a wide open shot to the net, and took advantage of it.
This is from my point of view in M...

[Jim Hyla]

This is my post from the game thread. There's no way that we would get a penalty shot just because "the penalty shot might've been the fairest thing to do." Come on, the refs might not be right all the time but they don't just make up rules. For God's (or anybodies else's) sake they have to explain it to each coach.

 [Q]marty

        [Q]Beeeej

            [Q]Al DeFlorio
            "A shot by Romano snuck through the traffic in front of the goal and was loose in the crease when Matt Nelson covered the puck with his glove. Nelson's hand then went into the goal with the puck underneath, but he quickly pulled it back out of the goal.[/Q]


        How is that not a goal for Cornell?[/Q]


    An interesting question, because one could say that the puck is dead as soon as he gloves it and thereby delays the game - the rule book might have a specific clause concerning this.

    But I imagined that the Feola didn't see it clearly enough to award the goal.[/Q]


It seems clear that Feola didn't see it. The goal judge put the red light on, after a long delay, with the red light still on, Feola finally went to the goal judge. I could see him making a hand motion that would support him seeing the puck going in under a Yale player's hand.


I don't know the rule, but I'm just guessing that once he touches the puck in the crease the play stops, much like even if you score when your team has a delyed penalty against it, it doesn't count since the play stops as soon as you touch it. Unfortunately that helps the team who is to get the man advantage while in our case it hurt the team getting the advantage.

[redhair34]

[quote Jim Hyla]
I don't know the rule, but I'm just guessing that once he touches the puck in the crease the play stops, much like even if you score when your team has a delyed penalty against it, it doesn't count since the play stops as soon as you touch it. Unfortunately that helps the team who is to get the man advantage while in our case it hurt the team getting the advantage.[/quote]

I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember something similar happening in the Stanley Cup Finals last year when Chris Pronger scored on a penalty shot.

[bandrews37]

Home games have never had the three stars filled in, not just this one. That means nothing...

[Jim Hyla]

[quote jy3]both yale goals were interesting....

looking forward to another game tonight [/quote]I know I've said this before, and you've responded to it, however I have to say you are giving yourself a disservice by not using punctuation. This post is almost impossibly hard to read. You use caps, etc. for some situations but not others. Your comments are interesting but so hard to read that I suspect some just skip them completely. If you spent two minutes more it would be great. Thanks.**]

[sah67]

[quote billhoward]

For those who saw it: Was the against-goal Davenport scored a fluke or did he make a bad play and it cost Cornell?

[/pre][/quote]

When Davenport slipped, the puck slid out from under him and bounced off Seminoff's skate and in...not off his shoulder, and it didn't touch the post either.  IMHO, I don't think Davenport needed to leave the crease and play the puck with Seminoff and Mugford right there and no Yale players nearby, so I would argue it was at least partly a bad move...but obviously the slip-up was a fluke, as was the unlucky bounce off Seminoff's skate.

[Trotsky]

[quote Jim Hyla][quote jy3]both yale goals were interesting....

looking forward to another game tonight [/quote]I know I've said this before, and you've responded to it, however I have to say you are giving yourself a disservice by not using punctuation. This post is almost impossibly hard to read. You use caps, etc. for some situations but not others. Your comments are interesting but so hard to read that I suspect some just skip them completely. If you spent two minutes more it would be great. Thanks.**][/quote]

At the risk of piling on, I agree, strongly.  It's consideration to the reader.  It may be true in twenty years that due to texting the at large population will be used to it, and capitalization will be a thing of the past.  But for we old fogeys, please.

Oh, and try to mix in a "thou" or an "yclepped."  I just like those.

Mandatory hockey content: the tragedy of this game wasn't the fluke goal -- that can happen.  It was that Cornell had only a one-goal lead when it happened.  Given the difference in talent between the teams, it ought to have been a footnote in a 4-2 or 5-2 win.

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote Trotsky]Mandatory hockey content: the tragedy of this game wasn't the fluke goal -- that can happen.  It was that Cornell had only a one-goal lead when it happened.  Given the difference in talent between the teams, it ought to have been a footnote in a 4-2 or 5-2 win.[/quote]
It is an interesting phenomenon that recent Cornell teams can pretty much control a game and yet generate very few good scoring chances while doing so.  I wish I could figure out why that is.

[calgARI '07]

[quote Trotsky]

Mandatory hockey content: the tragedy of this game wasn't the fluke goal -- that can happen.  It was that Cornell had only a one-goal lead when it happened.  Given the difference in talent between the teams, it ought to have been a footnote in a 4-2 or 5-2 win.[/quote]

That's just it.  Cornell decided to win the game 2-1 and hardly put any pressure on after they took that lead.  Yale didn't get many chances either but you've gotta deliver the knock out punch when you're on home ice against an inferior team.  Instead, they just let them hang around making what should otherwise be a worthless goal be the game-tying goal.  Too bad McCutcheon and Bitz kept playing paddy-cake with the puck on the two powerplays in the third period rather than actually doing what other powerplays do.

[Tom Tone]

From my view above the net in G, the puck was about 3/4 of the way across the line when the red light went on and the crowd reacted so I didn't really hear any whistle.  The goal judge seemed to not be sure if the entire puck had crossed because the Yale player had his glove over it when play had stopped. The odd thing about all of it was that later on during a pile up in front of the net, a Yale player, who was outside of the crease, literally picked up the puck to show it to Feola for the whistle, but Feola refused to stop play.