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cZonTix · January 09, 2007, 03:44:35 PM

Shouldn't Scrivens be given more of a chance as the 1st string goalie? Seems as though he only gets a chance when Davenport gets off to a bad start. Based on stats, certainly seems like he should be given more of a chance to show his ability.

ftyuv · January 09, 2007, 03:48:50 PM

Davenport, Scrivens, whatever. We need more goalies who can actually score goals.

Quote from: A paragraph not nearly as high up in the story as it should have been said:In the second, the Warriors yanked Watson during a delayed penalty but an errand pass to the point slid into the empty net, giving the Minutemen a 3-1 lead. Jon Quick was the last UMass player to touch the puck and was thus credited with the first goal of his career at 9:31.

Al DeFlorio · January 09, 2007, 05:28:05 PM

[quote ftyuv]Davenport, Scrivens, whatever. We need more goalies who can actually score goals.
[/quote]
Some might say we need more forwards "who can actually score goals."::blush::

LaJollaRed · January 11, 2007, 12:53:02 PM

I agree with starting Scrivens.

The problem is, like a racehorse, goalies are very easily psyched out by many off-ice things. I worry that benching Davenport and replacing him with a freshman is going to be very difficult for him to recover from...especially because he left the team once as a result of not getting ice time.

That said, though, how much do we care about Davenport's feelings? We like to win, don't we?

We're not going to find another Mckee, but I think my comparison is still valid. I always thought of McKee as more of a Dom Hasek type goalie--beautiful, acrobatic, exciting saves. Davenport, and those who have seen him will agree, is more of a Patrick Roy - always in the right place, except when he isn't. Unfortunately he isn't much of the time.

2.48 GAA would be stellar in the WCHL...it would be amazing, but in the ECAC, where games are historically much closer and defense oriented, 2.48 is enough to sink an otherwise decent team.

However--not his fault. What I see at Lynah is not a break down of the defense, but a complete lack of offense. Scoring more goals gets him out of hot water pretty quickly.

Scrivens will get his ice time. And given what I've seen this season, he's going to be great. I don't know if we'll ever see a goalie score himself, but I'm telling you--when he stopped that penalty shot, I must have jumped into the rafters, honestly one of my favorite Lynah moments.

Davenport, Davenport...sounds like the mournful sighs of a blighted heiress (Heathcliff!)...But I trust Schafer to know what to do with him, know when to pull him, know when to slap him around, and know when to let him play.

2 · January 11, 2007, 02:56:31 PM

[quote LaJollaRed]I always thought of McKee as more of a Dom Hasek type goalie--beautiful, acrobatic, exciting saves. Davenport, and those who have seen him will agree, is more of a Patrick Roy - always in the right place, except when he isn't. [/quote]

For those who are a bit more experienced with living, how would one best describe Dryden?

Trotsky · January 11, 2007, 04:40:41 PM

[quote 2]For those who are a bit more experienced with living, how would one best describe Dryden?[/quote]

A crappy little town with one nice B&B. Tip your waitress.

marty · January 11, 2007, 04:53:30 PM

[quote 2][quote LaJollaRed]I always thought of McKee as more of a Dom Hasek type goalie--beautiful, acrobatic, exciting saves. Davenport, and those who have seen him will agree, is more of a Patrick Roy - always in the right place, except when he isn't. [/quote]

For those who are a bit more experienced with living, how would one best describe Dryden?[/quote]

Very much alive!**]

French Rage · January 11, 2007, 04:59:43 PM

[quote 2][quote LaJollaRed]I always thought of McKee as more of a Dom Hasek type goalie--beautiful, acrobatic, exciting saves. Davenport, and those who have seen him will agree, is more of a Patrick Roy - always in the right place, except when he isn't. [/quote]

For those who are a bit more experienced with living, how would one best describe Dryden?[/quote]

Canada's greatest hope for the future!

ftyuv · January 11, 2007, 05:10:36 PM

[quote 2][quote LaJollaRed]I always thought of McKee as more of a Dom Hasek type goalie--beautiful, acrobatic, exciting saves. Davenport, and those who have seen him will agree, is more of a Patrick Roy - always in the right place, except when he isn't. [/quote]

For those who are a bit more experienced with living, how would one best describe Dryden?[/quote]
Same as a Drylivingroom, it's just a regional thing.

(Hey, if everyone else gets to make stupid jokes, I do too.)

Beeeej · January 11, 2007, 05:26:16 PM

[quote 2][quote LaJollaRed]I always thought of McKee as more of a Dom Hasek type goalie--beautiful, acrobatic, exciting saves. Davenport, and those who have seen him will agree, is more of a Patrick Roy - always in the right place, except when he isn't. [/quote]

For those who are a bit more experienced with living, how would one best describe Dryden?[/quote]

He was no Shakespeare or Donne, but I think he was largely responsible for bringing poetry into modern English. Certainly without him there's no Byron, Keats, Wordsworth, or Eliot.

(T.S., not Darren.)

Rich S · January 11, 2007, 05:51:03 PM

[quote LaJollaRed]I agree with starting Scrivens.

The problem is, like a racehorse, goalies are very easily psyched out by many off-ice things.

Davenport, and those who have seen him will agree, is more of a Patrick Roy - always in the right place, except when he isn't.[/quote]

As a former goalie, and as a coach of quite a few since, I disagree with the "psyched out" comment. The ones who are mentally strong, and that's a pre-requisite of any good goalie, handle the off ice stuff well.

"Always in the right place" more accurately describes Brodeur than Roy. Roy was known to wander and be acrobatic as well, sometimes with disasterous results.

Brodeur is far more stable. Just ask Jeremey Roenick. :-}

Dpperk29 · January 11, 2007, 07:09:43 PM

[quote Trotsky][quote 2]For those who are a bit more experienced with living, how would one best describe Dryden?[/quote]

A crappy little town with one nice B&B. Tip your waitress.[/quote]

ouch. that hurts alot. it may be small, but it's far from crappy.

and the B&B sucks

calgARI '07 · January 11, 2007, 08:29:53 PM

[quote LaJollaRed]

We're not going to find another Mckee, but I think my comparison is still valid. I always thought of McKee as more of a Dom Hasek type goalie--beautiful, acrobatic, exciting saves. Davenport, and those who have seen him will agree, is more of a Patrick Roy - always in the right place, except when he isn't. Unfortunately he isn't much of the time.

What I see at Lynah is not a break down of the defense, but a complete lack of offense. Scoring more goals gets him out of hot water pretty quickly.

[/quote]

McKee was brilliant as a sophomore but mediocre last season. Davenport hasn't been any worse than McKee was for stretches of last season. He certainly hasn't been great at times though. As you said, offense has been a far bigger problem. Certain guys on the team who supposed to be producing offense are getting free passes while Davenport is being called out. Again, he can be better, but a lot of the games the team has not won has been because a lack of offense.

There is this mystique around Scrivens that he is so unbelievable that I don't quite understand. He has been good but I haven't seen him do anything extraordinary and he certainly hasn't done anything to steal the starting job from Davenport.

The goaltending hasn't been great but I don't think Scrivens it he magical solution. I also think that the powerplay, penalty kill, and the scoring consistency have been bigger problems than goaltending.

ftyuv · January 11, 2007, 11:30:30 PM

I think what people are thinking about Scrivens isn't that he's going to be our savior, but that since Davenport himself isn't a savior, why not alternate them, or at least give Scrivens a couple starts?

Steve Rockey · January 12, 2007, 12:43:33 PM

Goaltending techniques have changed so much since the 1960's that comparisons and even descriptions for those who did not see the old style are very difficult. Dryden played at Cornell before the butterfly was really used in college hockey but I it was starting to show up in the NHL.

Dryden was described as a "stand up" goalie as opposed to a flopper.

What most impressed me about him was unbelievable ability to make the glove save at a time when the glove was probably half the size of what is in use now. He would actually often cheat the glove post side and cover the gap with his glove and I don't recall anyone beating him on that cheat.

When he moved to the NHL he made significant technique changes seamlessly.