All-Access - adopt a player's parents

Started by billhoward, November 12, 2006, 09:54:47 PM

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billhoward

November 12, 2006, 09:54:47 PM
If this is true that CSTV won't accept Canadian credit cards, perhaps eLynah could set up a fund to sponsor access for the players' parents. We've chipped in money to help the band go to distant venues when Cornell didn't have the money. Seems like it would be equally worthy to fund access for player parents.

One presumes the parents have found some way around this, such as their kids at Cornell have US of A credit cards and the All-Access fee goes on that card. Have they?

Although, sheesh, why are parents paying at all? When cable TV came to America's cities and towns in the 1960s through 1980s, every burg and hamlet held up the cable companies for free access for government buildings, nursing homes, and schools as a condition of getting the contract. (That and hiring the mayor's brother to oversee the initial rollout.) Seems as if Cornell could have done same for the athletics department and for the teams.

On a separate thread, Jim Hyla quotes the athletic director http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,102216,102257#msg-102257 asking rhetorically, "You think we control this?" Presuming nobody at CSTV pointed a gun at Andy Noel and said Andy's signature or brains would be on the contract, pick one, then, yes, he controlled the terms and conditions. Or his designee. Maybe now he regrets what seemed like minor gray areas in the contract.

Mr. Noel: Do you remember what the sign said on Harry Truman's desk?

Al DeFlorio

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November 12, 2006, 11:24:52 PM
[quote billhoward]
Mr. Noel: Do you remember what the sign said on Harry Truman's desk?[/quote]
I wonder if he knows who Harry Truman was.
Al DeFlorio '65

upperdeck

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November 15, 2006, 03:42:06 PM
are there actually parents who cant get the feed out there?  there are several ways around this that are much simplier than using credit cards..

ursusminor

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November 15, 2006, 04:36:31 PM
Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.

Josh '99

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November 15, 2006, 04:45:59 PM
[quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]You're probably right, and this is totally the kind of thing the NCAA would make an example of, while allowing Reggie Bush's financial benefits to slide.
"They do all kind of just blend together into one giant dildo."
-Ben Rocky 04

KeithK

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November 15, 2006, 04:58:12 PM
[quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]I agree that there would be a potential violation here if fans provided services to player families.  On the other hand, would that be the case if you simply provided the mechanism for the establishing the CSTV account (credit card) and the family paid you back?  There's a service involved, but it's not monetary and pretty nominal.  

Naturally it would be best to get an NCAA/program ruling on this before doing so.

ugarte

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November 15, 2006, 05:41:44 PM
[quote KeithK]On the other hand, would that be the case if you simply provided the mechanism for the establishing the CSTV account (credit card) and the family paid you back?  There's a service involved, but it's not monetary and pretty nominal.[/quote]I should leave this one for Hillel or Dart~Ben, but I'm going to say ... violation.

KeithK

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November 15, 2006, 06:06:28 PM
[quote ugarte][quote KeithK]On the other hand, would that be the case if you simply provided the mechanism for the establishing the CSTV account (credit card) and the family paid you back?  There's a service involved, but it's not monetary and pretty nominal.[/quote]I should leave this one for Hillel or Dart~Ben, but I'm going to say ... violation.[/quote]OK, what if you offered to provide account access to any Cornell student or family who agreed to pay you back?

jtwcornell91

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November 15, 2006, 06:27:13 PM
[quote KeithK][quote ugarte][quote KeithK]On the other hand, would that be the case if you simply provided the mechanism for the establishing the CSTV account (credit card) and the family paid you back?  There's a service involved, but it's not monetary and pretty nominal.[/quote]I should leave this one for Hillel or Dart~Ben, but I'm going to say ... violation.[/quote]OK, what if you offered to provide account access to any Cornell student or family who agreed to pay you back?[/quote]

Or specifically any from Canada or elsewhere without a US billing address. (There's a Union foreign student aid reference in there somewhere...)

billhoward

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November 15, 2006, 06:45:44 PM
[quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]

I was waiting to see which observant Cornellian [EDIT: reader] picked up on the potential violation issue. You win. If Cornell gets its wrist slapped for letting parents watch their son play for free, then they don't have to go after things like the house USC's Reggie Bush got free for his parents. Allegedly got free for his parents. Sorry.

ugarte

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November 15, 2006, 06:53:41 PM
[quote billhoward][quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]

I was waiting to see which observant reader picked up on the potential violation issue. You win. If Cornell gets its wrist slapped for letting parents watch their son play for free, then they don't have to go after things like the house USC's Reggie Bush got free for his parents. Allegedly got free for his parents. Sorry.[/quote]Fixed.

marty

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November 15, 2006, 07:13:52 PM
[quote billhoward][quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]

I was waiting to see which observant Cornellian picked up on the potential violation issue. You win. If Cornell gets its wrist slapped for letting parents watch their son play for free, then they don't have to go after things like the house USC's Reggie Bush got free for his parents. Allegedly got free for his parents. Sorry.[/quote]

I don't know if UrsaMinor is a Cornellian but I think he is first an Engineer (RIP) at heart.
"When we came off, [Bitz] said, 'Thank God you scored that goal,'" Moulson said. "He would've killed me if I didn't."

marty

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November 15, 2006, 07:15:55 PM
[quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]

I think we could make the argument that there is nothing of value in the gift of an All Ech-cess ::yark:: subscription for the families.
"When we came off, [Bitz] said, 'Thank God you scored that goal,'" Moulson said. "He would've killed me if I didn't."

KeithK

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November 15, 2006, 07:45:08 PM
[quote billhoward][quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]

I was waiting to see which observant Cornellian picked up on the potential violation issue. You win. If Cornell gets its wrist slapped for letting parents watch their son play for free, then they don't have to go after things like the house USC's Reggie Bush got free for his parents. Allegedly got free for his parents. Sorry.[/quote]I think we should go ahead with this plan and then simply file for an injunction against the NCAA for arbitrarily enforcing their own rules (see Reggie Bush).  It's breach of contract! :-D
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