Vote Barron for Hobey

[abmarks]

Do any of you actually think he was the best player in the country last season?

Seriously?

I have bad news for you about MLB's All-Star fan balloting.

Could care less about any selections in any sport that are made entirely by fan ballots.

Besides, I gave most people here more credit than that.  It's one thing to stuff the ballot box for your own guy, it's another to stuff it and proclaim he's actually the best when he isn't.

I'm certain in your divine wisdom you have determined, beyond any and all doubt, who is, in fact, "best."  Pray tell us the answer and your unchallengeable, infallible reasoning for determining this.

I don't know who's best. But I do know that it's not Barron, and outlined why two of our opponents were better than Barron in an earlier post.

And before you quibble, consider best to the player that best satisfied the award criteria.  If there were a Selke for college hockey there a be a good argument for Barron, but this is an award for most outstanding player.

[adamw]

Swayman faces 65% more shots with a save percentage .003 less than McKay's ... We had Swayman 1st Team All-CHN - and I voted for him for the Richter Award.

Also - annual reminder that the Hobey Hat Trick is NOT the "final 3 candidates" ... the winner is already known. The 3 represent the top 3 vote getters. There is no further voting.

I've never really understood why GAA is seen as a goalie metric rather than a team metric.

Which other metric would you prefer? Which other available metric is superior? Are you suggesting McKay is better than Swayman? By what criteria?

[Dafatone]

Swayman faces 65% more shots with a save percentage .003 less than McKay's ... We had Swayman 1st Team All-CHN - and I voted for him for the Richter Award.

Also - annual reminder that the Hobey Hat Trick is NOT the "final 3 candidates" ... the winner is already known. The 3 represent the top 3 vote getters. There is no further voting.

I've never really understood why GAA is seen as a goalie metric rather than a team metric.

Which other metric would you prefer? Which other available metric is superior? Are you suggesting McKay is better than Swayman? By what criteria?

I'm agreeing with you, mostly. McKay has a slightly better sv% and a much better GAA. Swayman has faced a ton more shots, which makes his numbers more impressive.

Some people seemed to be saying that the wide gap in GAA reflects poorly on Swayman, which I don't really get. It's not his fault his team gave up about 50% more shots than McKay's.

[upprdeck]

Don't the stats also say all shots are not created equal?  Cornell shows the model. limit the quality shots.

[Trotsky]

Also - annual reminder that the Hobey Hat Trick is NOT the "final 3 candidates" ... the winner is already known. The 3 represent the top 3 vote getters. There is no further voting.

Huh.  Did not know this.  Thank you.

[adamw]

Don't the stats also say all shots are not created equal?  Cornell shows the model. limit the quality shots.

All shots are definitely not created equal. Unfortunately, in NCAA, we don't have shot location data. So SV% is the best we have.

[osorojo]

As for GAA as a measure of excellence in tending goal what do the goalies themselves think about it being a critical measure of talent in goal?