Cornell @ Quinnipiac 1/31/2020

Started by Swampy, January 30, 2020, 04:21:14 PM

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Jim Hyla

Quote from: abmarksDon't think anyone has pointed this out yet explicitly about the Christmas break.


Before January 1: 9-0

Since January 1: 5-1-4


So what happened over break?  I don't know.

One thing that we can see though, is that as our ranking went up near the top, everyone we play is bringing their A game to knock off the big dog.

Has anyone taken the night off against us since.new years?

None of that explains last night's stinker, but as long as we're top 5 in the country we need to be prepared for teams being super amped against us, which means we have no margin for error.

Actually before 1/1 we were 10-1-0

If you look at ties and 1 goal games (not counting ENG) Before 3-1-0  After 1-0-4

Flip a few goals from before to after and the results are the also flipped.

Were we playing better before than after? Sure, but maybe the differences were not as strong as we think.
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

Trotsky

The Q loss colors everything.  Let's get a few games under our belts -- it may have simply been an anomaly.  Scary, sure.  But there is also a reason that even Harvard 89 and RPI 85 and, for that matter, Cornell 67 didn't match Cornell 70.

Swampy

Quote from: TrotskyThe Q loss colors everything.  Let's get a few games under our belts -- it may have simply been an anomaly.  Scary, sure.  But there is also a reason that even Harvard 89 and RPI 85 and, for that matter, Cornell 67 didn't match Cornell 70.

Nor any other team in modern D-I history.

But what I find both scary and encouraging from the team's mid-season regression-to-the-mean is that this year we've have few long-duration injuries. Last year it seemed we were always playing without a few key players, whereas this year such occasions have been relatively rare. Yet last year we made it to the second round of the regionals. If our relative health keeps up, I'll be really disappointed if we don't advance beyond the regionals.

This is scary because one would think having a healthy team would give us an advantage, and we would not have tied those games we could have won, much less throw up a stinker like Friday's. OTOH, it's encouraging because during this period we've not only come back down to earth, but also have played far below what we know we're capable of; nonetheless, the team has managed to get through this time with only one loss.

osorojo

Could it be that the Cornell game is some version of a one-trick pony and the opposition has noticed this?

Trotsky

Quote from: osorojoCould it be that the Cornell game is some version of a one-trick pony and the opposition has noticed this?
I mean, it could be.  I was thinking it's possible that our freshmen  took opponents by surprise and now have been figured out a bit.  They will adjust and then the opponents will have countermeasures and so on forever.  The only reason we noticed it this year is (1) our freshmen are really good, so when they had the element of surprise they were able to do damage, and (2) there are so many of them.

This would explain both the fall off in play and also the apparent plateau/regression of Malinski, Dirven, Malone, and Mitchell.  OTOH the Tupkers have been stepping up, and they are the very guys who didn't have much time early and thus for whom there is less "tape" to study.

If there's truth to that then time will iron it all out.

upprdeck

the teams have really concentrated on controlling out breakouts with much heavier forecheck, and those teams quick enough to pull that off have given us issues..

marty

Quote from: upprdeckthe teams have really concentrated on controlling out breakouts with much heavier forecheck, and those teams quick enough to pull that off have given us issues..

Another issue that makes coaching so different than it was 15-20 years ago is that everyone can watch (tapes of) every game.

Harvard controls us,  Q and Pecknose watch the tape and attempt to control Cornell the same way.
"When we came off, [Bitz] said, 'Thank God you scored that goal,'" Moulson said. "He would've killed me if I didn't."

TimV

Quote from: martyAnother issue that makes coaching so different than it was 15-20 years ago is that everyone can watch (tapes of) every game.


That knife cuts both ways, no? Is our scouting worse than everybody else's? Like our inability to figure out Harvard's power play?
"Yo Paulie - I don't see no crowd gathering 'round you neither."

blackwidow

Quote from: TimV
Quote from: martyAnother issue that makes coaching so different than it was 15-20 years ago is that everyone can watch (tapes of) every game.


That knife cuts both ways, no? Is our scouting worse than everybody else's? Like our inability to figure out Harvard's power play?

I dont know about coaching but I think Harvard's talent is significantly above our recruitment pool.

ice

Quote from: blackwidow
Quote from: TimVThat knife cuts both ways, no? Is our scouting worse than everybody else's? Like our inability to figure out Harvard's power play?

I dont know about coaching but I think Harvard's talent is significantly above our recruitment pool.

Who the heck would want to go to that snobby school?  You have to wear a blazer when you go to class, even during chemistry labs.  No water falls, no gorges, no ice creamery, not even a single cow.  Cambridge gave me the creeps.

marty

Quote from: blackwidow
Quote from: TimV
Quote from: martyAnother issue that makes coaching so different than it was 15-20 years ago is that everyone can watch (tapes of) every game.


That knife cuts both ways, no? Is our scouting worse than everybody else's? Like our inability to figure out Harvard's power play?

I dont know about coaching but I think Harvard's talent is significantly above our recruitment pool.

Yes. And even prima donnas can learn team work.  I think Donato has learned over his years as coach to better deal with his recruits.

Good coaches help players improve over the course of a season but also improve themselves.  I hope Harvard is always second to Cornell but he has improved.
"When we came off, [Bitz] said, 'Thank God you scored that goal,'" Moulson said. "He would've killed me if I didn't."

ice

Quote from: TimVThat knife cuts both ways, no? Is our scouting worse than everybody else's? Like our inability to figure out Harvard's power play?

Northeastern most have figured something out.  They just held Harvard scoreless for a nearly two minute long 5x3.

2-1 Northeastern in the third.

upprdeck

so the replay challenge was not that the goalie had control it was changed because it was ruled barron pushed the goalies pad causing the puck to go in the net.

not clear on how that rule reads..  

if the goalie doesnt have control of the puck are you not allowed to push the puck and then the goalie over the line? would you have to pull the puck out of the crease and shoot it over the goalie?  i thought you couldnt push the puck if it was controlled over the line?

the ref had the better view than the camera and didnt bow the whistle so he must have ruled he could see it?