Cornell 3 North Dakota 7

[Jim Hyla]

[quote Trotsky][quote Jim Hyla]So, you think that if we just jump into Hockey East we are suddenly going to be able to compete with all the scholarship schools? I don't know where that comes from. As hockey ,and pretty soon lacrosse, becomes more national, the scholarship schools will start draining off more and more talent. That leaves us with less and less. This happened with football, then basketball, baseball, and more and more woman's sports. Syracuse just started women's hockey and took SLU's coach. Watch and see what happens to those two programs over the next 10 years.

No, our best hope is to stay in a conference that at least has some of the ideals that we have; then we can compete and, as I've said before, we can be in the NCAAs often enough that we can hope. Glory years are over, and jumping conferences won't make the difference.[/quote]Or the Ivies could rethink their scholarship model, and that's already happening.


The Ivy League, and most of us who went through it, are still caught worshiping the 19th Century ideal of the "gentleman athlete."  Its genesis wasn't even particularly related to a preference for academics over athletics -- it was just a bar to the Great Unwashed.

As has been said, all of the Ivies will eventually have to eliminate the financial burden on low and even middle class applicants, or lose them.  The economic motives of a first line center are no different from those of a first chair cellist.[/quote]

I don't think that will happen. (I was going to say in my lifetime, but I don't want to die that early.) Being a relatively small private school, compared to the big state schools, makes it very expensive. I see how Syracuse is trying to handle their athletic budget and it sickens me. Coaches making more that the chancellor and dropping sports to balance everything. People, including alumni, giving to athletics and not to the academics seems wrong.

To my way of thinking, having a very diverse program is more important than being successful in a few major sports. I guess that means I'm fully committed to the Ivy approach.

My fun on football days is watching a competitive game with friends. Being on the national stage is not needed. Now if we could just be competitive.

I love hockey, but wouldn't trade everything else that is good about the Ivies just to win in it.

[Chris '03]

[quote ebilmes]EZAC.

A NoDak team struggling offensively puts up SEVEN FUCKING GOALS against us tonight?
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They could have locked it down, played conservatively, and lost 4-2. Instead they took a ton of chances late and lost 7-3. I'm not hung up on the number. It's a loss. I thought the team looked considerably better losing 7-3 last night than at MSG last year.

I hope they do a better job dictating play tonight, avoiding the mental mistakes, and not getting into an up and down game that is hardly the team's strong suit (I suspect H will have better luck in that style if they run with the Sioux next week).

Goals for tonight should be to play within the system, not make stupid mistakes, and not get drawn into any stupid penalties, especially if it gets out of hand in either direction. While NCAA seeding and at large bids are great to speculate about in November (with 75% of the season to come), I'd rather have a full roster skating for four points next week.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Kyle Rose]slash the in-conference schedule[/quote]

The ECAC already only plays two games against each conference opponent, as opposed to the three and four games that show up in other leagues' (often unbalanced) schedules.

[Trotsky]

[quote Jim Hyla]I love hockey, but wouldn't trade everything else that is good about the Ivies just to win in it.[/quote]I think, as Bill Clinton used to say, that's a false choice.  Aid and entry requirements are separate compartments.  We can offer scholarships to athletes without compromising academics.  To a large extent, we already do.  If you paired a Patchogue applicant and a Nanaimo applicant with identical GPA, SATs, and family assets, I have little doubt the latter gets a better aid package.

[Rosey]

Jim:

I don't want to get into a whole "thing" about this, so I'll just sum up briefly.  I'm talking about eventualities, not necessarily what I want.  The fact is that our peer institutions will no longer be our peers if they stop charging tuition and we don't.  And the likelihood of Harvard going all free at some point is very high considering right now they could increase their endowment disbursement rate by 0.25%/year and stop charging tuition entirely.  And they should if they can, because they, unlike a normal business, have a mission to educate.  If they can best accomplish that by making their education free, and they are able to do that, then they should do that.  At that point, Cornell (and Brown and Penn to a lesser extent) need to make changes to be able to compete, or the Ivy League will become extremely lopsided as an athletic conference.  E.g., it may be that Cornell will finally reduce enrollment to 1970's levels at that point, which I think would be good all around.  But who knows: I am not a strategic planner for Cornell. :-)

Greg:

I actually think the Ivy League should retain its distinction among competitive schools as not having second-class citizens on campus.  Of course, a better way to do this than impoverishing families making more than $60,000 would be to give everyone a free ride.  I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but I do think it's inevitable for any top school that can do it.